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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:57 pm 
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Serge Silvagni

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A by product of not hitting on two of our trade targets is we’ve currently got six open spots on the senior list. 8 have gone off (Daisy, Garlett, Fasolo, Pickett, Kerr, Schumacher, Lobbe and Phillips) and 2 have come in (Eddie and Pittonet). We’ve got a relatively bad draft hand (picks 9, 43, 57 and 70) and some hope of getting Martin in the PSD. SOS will need to get creative with pick trades. I don’t want to bring in fill up players just for the sake of it but this might be our reality unfortunstely


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 Post subject: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:02 pm 
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Massive failure, but for those talking about us not being a destination club? Get a clue..... Two players nominated us, we just couldn't get it done.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Massive failure, but for those talking about us not being a destination club? Get a clue..... Two players nominated us, we just couldn't get it done.

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Two whole players and neither of them elite...........shut the front gate! Pfft!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:12 pm 
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Getting slammed in the media.

Ranked 18th

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-10-16/ ... draft-hand


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 Post subject: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:23 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Getting slammed in the media.

Ranked 18th

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-10-16/ ... draft-hand


Was poor. Had a lot of cap space including banked money. Unused now. Was the time to bring mature talent. Picked the wrong players to target and get.

Still couldn’t give a fig about the media rating. It’s like who won the draft a day after the draft. Pointless.

Still plenty to work with on the list. A small forward at the right age was a piece of the puzzle though and we struck out. Papley was clearly the wrong target. We had pick 9. Should have been adequate based on all previous trades for similar players.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:23 pm 
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The media are such brilliant judges.

Papley....16th in the comp in 2019 for goals kicked (didn't play finals) and 9th for goal assists. What's an elite small forward then?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:25 pm 
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toddkurnski wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Getting slammed in the media.

Ranked 18th

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-10-16/ ... draft-hand


Was poor. Had a lot of cap space including banked money. Unused now. Was the time to bring mature talent. Picked the wrong players to target and get.

Still couldn’t give a fig about the media rating. It’s like who won the draft a day after the draft. Pointless.

Still plenty to work with on the list. A small forward at the right age was a piece of the puzzle though and we struck out. Papley was clearly the wrong target. We had pick 9. Should have been adequate based on all previous trades for similar players.


I agree.
The club should've wisened up the moment Dodo got involved and changed course immediately.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:28 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Blue Monday wrote:
Can’t wait to see Blue fans in raptures seeing Stocker, Papley, Martin and Eddie all running onto the ground against Adelaide...


Good call: The Stocker trade lives forever. Pick 9 is talking.

Stocker Strikes

Ballistic Betts

Magical Martin

Papler Perfection

I wonder what Pick 3 gets the Crows....no I don't!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:40 pm 
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Effes wrote:
The media are such brilliant judges.

Papley....16th in the comp in 2019 for goals kicked (didn't play finals) and 9th for goal assists. What's an elite small forward then?


I never stated elite small forward or reference to their positions either.
But seeing as though you've asked, I'd put Cameron, Ryan, W Rioli, Tipungwuti, Greene or even Breust before him.
Papley is a good player don't get me wrong, but players like Coniglio are light years ahead.
And when we start getting elite guns like him wanting to come to the club, we will then be a destination club and not before.
We finished 16th, hardly knocking on the premiership door yet.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:09 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Sorry also got Eddie to play as small forward and nurture young forwards

Also BS if we get Martin in PSD for nothing how does the story look
If perchance we get with pick 9 the best person in the draft like we did with Cripps for example in his draft how does this change the story

Got to take a more wholistic view of draft trade and exchange period as well as s longer term view in respect to draft picks


People who read the AFL website or every other mainstream rag will see that we are being held up as losers .
You can't change that.

If we get Martin in the PSD, it won't change the stuff that is being written right now.

SOS said we would be very active in the trade period. I am not saying it is his fault but people read that stuff and the follow up that I showed above. The HS and Age haven't even written their copy yet. If the HS is the Essendon* mouthpiece, it will not be saying anything good about us or Sydney over this.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:06 am 
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david31 wrote:
I don’t want to bring in fill up players just for the sake of it but this might be our reality unfortunstely

Let’s be honest, that’s the one part of his job that SOS has nailed.

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 Post subject: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:04 am 
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Actually I’m pretty happy, we gained a good, young ruck with potential and an elite class small forward for one or two years. And we keep pick 9.

A good even result, neither overly good nor overly bad.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:44 am 
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Let's hope in the wash it was a failure to land one of the trade targets (rather than two) and we kept pick 9. I can't see GCS picking up a player who doesn't want to be there after being there for 8 years and who would be on a very large and long term contract. What they did is "bite your nose to spite your face" stuff! Even if they themselves wouldn't have wanted to use our future 2nd and 3rd rounders for next year's draft, it would have presented valuable trade currency for them to parlay into the following year's draft. Now they will get nothing for an asset they invested heavily in. I see it as a massive lose for them and not a bold statement as they professed.

I feel the same about Essendon*. Let's see how it plays out for them over the long haul. They too rolled the dice on the mistaken premise that they are in a premiership window. They have a coach on his last legs and key asset who next year could walk for nothing! And he is no guarantee to play 22 games. If anything, I think they over-achieved this year and things will not look any rosier in 12 months' time.

Like everyone, I was as flat as a tack this morning. I stayed up all night to follow yesterday's proceedings and at 4:30 am my time I was beyond inconsolable when the trade window closed. Now that the sun has risen in NY, I can see things with a glass half full perspective. How it washes out will depend on whether we pick up Jack Martin in the PSD and what we ultimately do with pick 9. Let's hope we get a 200 game player with that pick!

For those bagging SOS, you can tell he gave it his all. The emotional drain of a broken deal is brutal, especially when dealing with difficult counterparties. I have been there. Having said that, we are in such better hands on the recruiting side than we have ever been and I am sure he will learn from this experience. I am paid up for 2020 and hopefully others will do the same. The future is still very bright. Go Blues!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:08 am 
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Good measured post as usual Fj

If we can get Martin for nothing in PSD for nothing position will be better

I think assessing a trade period in isolation is very myopic and makes good copy in HS for 5 mins

Its a bit like the hysteria when SOS did the pick swap for Stocker last year at the draft
Firstly it was said to be bold when we did it , a disaster apparently early in the year and at the end of the season a master stroke

Now look forward to getting a gun in the draft with pick 9 get Martin perhaps get Newnes as DFA and look forward to an exciting 2020 where we get significant organic growth from Walsh Dow O’Brien Charlie H March Weiters and we get to see once in a generation Cripps magic and the old boy in jumper 19 kicking exceptional goals
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:11 am 
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Let's hope in the wash it was a failure to land one of the trade targets (rather than two) and we kept pick 9. I can't see GCS picking up a player who doesn't want to be there after being there for 8 years and who would be on a very large and long term contract. What they did is "bite your nose to spite your face" stuff! Even if they themselves wouldn't have wanted to use our future 2nd and 3rd rounders for next year's draft, it would have presented valuable trade currency for them to parlay into the following year's draft. Now they will get nothing for an asset they invested heavily in. I see it as a massive lose for them and not a bold statement as they professed.

I feel the same about Essendon**. Let's see how it plays out for them over the long haul. They too rolled the dice on the mistaken premise that they are in a premiership window. They have a coach on his last legs and key asset who next year could walk for nothing! And he is no guarantee to play 22 games. If anything, I think they over-achieved this year and things will not look any rosier in 12 months' time.

Like everyone, I was as flat as a tack this morning. I stayed up all night to follow yesterday's proceedings and at 4:30 am my time I was beyond inconsolable when the trade window closed. Now that the sun has risen in NY, I can see things with a glass half full perspective. How it washes out will depend on whether we pick up Jack Martin in the PSD and what we ultimately do with pick 9. Let's hope we get a 200 game player with that pick!

For those bagging SOS, you can tell he gave it his all. The emotional drain of a broken deal is brutal, especially when dealing with difficult counterparties. I have been there. Having said that, we are in such better hands on the recruiting side than we have ever been and I am sure he will learn from this experience. I am paid up for 2020 and hopefully others will do the same. The future is still very bright. Go Blues!

I stayed up all night as well.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Thanks Frank. We were there together on TBV on that fateful Black Friday when our picks were taken away from us and last night for a second felt similarly catastrophic. It's anything but that -- I actually admire SOS and Agresta for not panicking and being induced into a bad deal to save face. We are going to be fine.

BS, I noticed you were online too. Long distance romances always have their challenges but it's nice to know that the Bluebagger army extends to Mexico and the US. It's the beauty of this forum that we are all connected despite geography or opinions about the direction of the club because ultimately we share a common and unifying love -- the mighty Blues!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Yeah I agree.

Don't think you can consider Swans, *********** & GC as winners considering they held on to players who do not want to be there.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Media showing a modicum of balance. SEN boys saying things like:
“Settle down Carlton fans you didn’t miss out on Leigh Mathews”
“Pap is a decent bubbly forward but nothing amazing”
“Gibbons can develop into a good enough player to fill the role” and something along the lines of the fact while he isn’t as good as a small forward as Pap, he has a higher ceiling in the midfield than Pap does.

I’ve woken up with the same thoughts. It’s dissapointing but it’s one player. It’s a single small forward.

The Crows paid massive overs for a contracted Gibbs who has underperformed hugely. We all sit around and laugh at the Crows. I’m just glad we weren’t dumb enough to pay overs for a good small forward.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:18 am 
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Although still disappointed at how everything played out yesterday, it is time to take stock and remember that what will drive us to 17 is the guys we’ve drafted over the past 4 years, not a couple of non-superstars from other teams. Don’t get me wrong I’d love to be sitting here with Papley and Martin having been obtained for a reasonable price, but unfortunately that wasn’t the reality we faced. Sydney wouldn’t trade with us unless they got Daniher and Dodoro seemingly had no intention of making a deal. The Suns wanted to make an example of Martin and could do it because the AFL gave them all the picks to do it.

We now move on to hopefully acquiring Martin for nothing and going to the draft with pick 9. I’ve heard a bit about Newnes but not that keen on him, would rather take a 21-25 year old from a State League who has been overlooked and is hungry to make every post a winner.

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 Post subject: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:01 am 
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The sun is shining (somewhere), the birds are singing.

SOS did exactly what he’s paid to do. He manages the list. They identified the players they believed were the best fit for our needs, and tried their hardest to get them. In doing so they kept to their beliefs about what the players were worth.

Alas, they weren’t successful. And so we move on. It’s not a disaster, it’s a minor hiccup.

Hopefully this will make the boys work even harder because until we achieve, it’s all just potential.

I’d rather have 10 of these SOS “losses”than 1 of Dodoros wins.

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