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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:51 pm 
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Hmm... Levi just got cooked by the panel on OTC.

Losing value... ?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:55 pm 
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Whatever OTC is must be the real barometer.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:47 pm 
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It is huge for us if Gibbs remains. No brycit


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:44 am 
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Waldron doesn't have a great record (https://www.sen.com.au/news/2016/10/12/ ... n-waldron/), but for what it's worth:

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/08/ ... e-waldron/

Free agent forward on the move: Waldron
By SEN 12 minutes ago

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Carlton's free agent key forward Levi Casboult will join Richmond at at season's end according to the Brian Waldron.

The 27-year-old, who has kicked 100 goals in 91 career matches, is an unrestricted free agent and has attracted the interest of a number of clubs.

Waldron told SEN’s Hungry For Sport that the much-maligned 201cm forward will be swapping navy blue for yellow and black.

“Casboult’s done – he’s off to Richmond,” he said.

“He’s an unrestricted free agent, he’s done, he’s agreed, he’s gone.”

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:50 am 
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Do we continue to play him if that's true?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:57 am 
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famousblueraincoat wrote:
Do we continue to play him if that's true?


You'd think not.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:05 pm 
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Looks like we'll have Pick 1 as a bargaining chip.

Agree The spoon is ours. Lions will beat the Suns and Roos .
Hopefully we get a PP and a leg up re Bolts value too the AFL really need to give a us a hand , we're a mess.
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Seriously if we get a Priority Pick this year, it will be like when Collingwood stole won in 2005 and got Pendlebury with it.


It will be a huge bonus.


I don't think that it would be unreasonable though. I would think that we'd be comfortably the worst performing side in the league over the past 15 years. As I understand it this what the PP is supposed to be for, (rather than for clubs that have one or two bad years). If the AFL state that our long term performance is not bad enough to warrant a PP I'd like to see them pressed to explain just how bad you have to be to get one.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:24 pm 
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Nick Bowen‏Verified account @Nick_Bowen 1m1 minute ago

Dennis Armfield has announced his retirement in a letter to Carlton fans today. He will play out the remainder of the season

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:43 pm 
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Nick Bowen‏Verified account @Nick_Bowen 1m1 minute ago

Dennis Armfield has announced his retirement in a letter to Carlton fans today. He will play out the remainder of the season

Been a great servant to the club.
Sadly played one year too many.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:21 pm 
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Also sent a heartfelt email to the members on his retirement.

Pure class.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:47 pm 
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/c ... 98581251b7

Carlton spearhead Levi Casboult is considering his options as an unrestricted free agent
JON RALPH, Herald Sun
August 9, 2017 8:00pm
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LEVI Casboult has not yet agreed to a move to Richmond but is open to relocating to a club that will offer him a long-term deal.

The Blues spearhead has taken the most contested marks in footy this year and kicked an equal team-high 29 goals for Carlton.

But while he grew up a Blues fan his status as an unrestricted free agent reflects his modest wage at Carlton — he is not in the top 10 paid players.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:24 pm 
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/c ... 98581251b7

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Of the 36 players in the competition who have had at least 100 hit-outs (he has 137), his 29 goals are 12 more than any other player.


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Casboult has kicked more goals, taken more marks and won more hit-outs than Reid in the past three seasons but would be paid far less than the Swans swingman.

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Blue Vain wrote:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-spearhead-levi-casboult-is-considering-his-options-as-an-unrestricted-free-agent/news-story/57308ac66991fa55a6d42198581251b7

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Of the 36 players in the competition who have had at least 100 hit-outs (he has 137), his 29 goals are 12 more than any other player.


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Casboult has kicked more goals, taken more marks and won more hit-outs than Reid in the past three seasons but would be paid far less than the Swans swingman.


Going the hard sell.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:58 pm 
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I'd be open to Redpath. We just need a stop gap to fill that role while McKay, Kerr, Curnow, Silvagni (x2?) mature if Levi departs. If clubs see the best of what Bryce and Levi offer, there'll be no better time to part ways and capture some value for them. An off season I'd like to see would focus heavily on building the quality and depth of our midfield. Perfect case scenario based on some rumours that have circulated.

Departing Players
- Gibbs (to Adelaide, part of three way trade with the Bulldogs. Gibbs -> Crows, Lever -> Bulldogs, Pick 10/Redpath -> Blues)
- Casboult (hopefully contract offer from Richmond is enough to trigger Band 3 compo, pick 19/20)
- Boekhorst (to Freo for Balic)

In
- Josh Kelly for pick 1/2 (or keep and use on Cameron Rayner)
- Jacob Hopper for pick 19/20
- Pick 10, use on Nick Coffield/James Worpel (midfielders)
- Pick 37, ideally use on Jordan Houlahan (classy goal kicking half forward)
- Harley Balic (for Boekhorst)
- Redpath (part of Gibbs trade)
- Anthony Miles (DFA or trade for low pick)

We lost one current 1s midfielder + 1 fringe player and gain 4 likely 1s players + 1 fringe while improving the age profile of the list. With Cripps, Murphy, Curnow (x2), SPS, Cuningham, Pickett and Fisher we'd suddenly have a midfield. Docherty can resume his place down back along with Byrne's return from injury and we're actually looking like we'd be a contender for finals when the team gels.


In fact, with some top end talent touted for next year, would GWS be interested in our first pick next year instead of this year as a trade for Kelly? We might need to package it with something else to seal the deal but it could allow us to keep our pick#1 this year to select Rayner (who I think perfectly fits our needs), in addition to gaining Kelly, Hopper, Coffield/Worpel, Balic, Houlahan and Miles.

We'd instantly have one of the best midfields in the comp, with genuine competition for spots. I'd back that midfield along with Kreuzer to ease pressure on our under siege backs and they'd be a dream putting the ball lace out to our young forwards.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:36 am 
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Pick 1 + Murphy for Kelly + Hopper


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:01 am 
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Where has all this Murphy trade come from?

Fanciful me thinks.

I'm sure Carlton have made it clear it will focus on midfielders in the next 2 drafts (aside from Ben Silvagni and a developing ruck with a late draft pick).

Getting rid of Murphy and Gibbs doesn't support that mantra.

Carlton need to add mids to those two.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:10 am 
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Blues87 wrote:
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I'd be open to Redpath. We just need a stop gap to fill that role while McKay, Kerr, Curnow, Silvagni (x2?) mature if Levi departs. If clubs see the best of what Bryce and Levi offer, there'll be no better time to part ways and capture some value for them. An off season I'd like to see would focus heavily on building the quality and depth of our midfield. Perfect case scenario based on some rumours that have circulated.

Departing Players
- Gibbs (to Adelaide, part of three way trade with the Bulldogs. Gibbs -> Crows, Lever -> Bulldogs, Pick 10/Redpath -> Blues)
- Casboult (hopefully contract offer from Richmond is enough to trigger Band 3 compo, pick 19/20)
- Boekhorst (to Freo for Balic)

In
- Josh Kelly for pick 1/2 (or keep and use on Cameron Rayner)
- Jacob Hopper for pick 19/20
- Pick 10, use on Nick Coffield/James Worpel (midfielders)
- Pick 37, ideally use on Jordan Houlahan (classy goal kicking half forward)
- Harley Balic (for Boekhorst)
- Redpath (part of Gibbs trade)
- Anthony Miles (DFA or trade for low pick)

We lost one current 1s midfielder + 1 fringe player and gain 4 likely 1s players + 1 fringe while improving the age profile of the list. With Cripps, Murphy, Curnow (x2), SPS, Cuningham, Pickett and Fisher we'd suddenly have a midfield. Docherty can resume his place down back along with Byrne's return from injury and we're actually looking like we'd be a contender for finals when the team gels.


In fact, with some top end talent touted for next year, would GWS be interested in our first pick next year instead of this year as a trade for Kelly? We might need to package it with something else to seal the deal but it could allow us to keep our pick#1 this year to select Rayner (who I think perfectly fits our needs), in addition to gaining Kelly, Hopper, Coffield/Worpel, Balic, Houlahan and Miles.

We'd instantly have one of the best midfields in the comp, with genuine competition for spots. I'd back that midfield along with Kreuzer to ease pressure on our under siege backs and they'd be a dream putting the ball lace out to our young forwards.


How?

Kelly is a great addition.
Rayner will need a year or two to adapt...he's not going to do a Judd in his first 2 years IMO....because he's not Judd
Hopper has a way to go, and shows a lot of potential to share the inside job with Cripps, but not immediately. Needs a year or two.
Lose Gibbs and gain top 10 pick for mids who need to be developed before they prove to be of a high standard.
Miles? Geez...I think he may have peaked already. He's not an A Grader.

So we lose an A Grader, and pick up an A Grader...doesn't make our midfield one of the best. It will be a developing midfield group. We still lack depth in the midfield.
I hope I'm wrong, but I feel we need to be adding not subtracting, or our window will be further down the track...which isn't a bad thing, because we can and I assume will continue to build midfield depth beyond the next 2 years.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:28 am 
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Hopper was a walk up start for GWS after missing with injury. He'd easily bolster our midfield immediately and significantly Bondi IMHO.
As for the various comments on Levi, he may only average 1.5 goals per game but he's playing in a team that only averages 10 goals per game. He's number 1 in the AFL for contested marks. He's durable and has kicked as many goals or more than Jarryd Roughead, Nick Riewoldt, Tom Lynch, Peter Wright, Eric Hipwood among many others.
The commentary around him reminds me of the rubbish around Eddie Betts in his final year. Cant play midfield, doesn't perform in big games etc etc etc. All bullshit.

If Levi gets a good offer, I hope he goes and we get quality compensation for him but lets not undersell his value. Played to his strengths, he will be a valuable acquisition.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:27 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Hopper was a walk up start for GWS after missing with injury. He'd easily bolster our midfield immediately and significantly Bondi IMHO.
As for the various comments on Levi, he may only average 1.5 goals per game but he's playing in a team that only averages 10 goals per game. He's number 1 in the AFL for contested marks. He's durable and has kicked as many goals or more than Jarryd Roughead, Nick Riewoldt, Tom Lynch, Peter Wright, Eric Hipwood among many others.
The commentary around him reminds me of the rubbish around Eddie Betts in his final year. Cant play midfield, doesn't perform in big games etc etc etc. All bullshit.

If Levi gets a good offer, I hope he goes and we get quality compensation for him but lets not undersell his value. Played to his strengths, he will be a valuable acquisition.
With the exception to the 19 year old kid in his 2nd season
Gets the ball less and gives on average double any of them free kicks away.
How anyone can draw any form of comparison of Levi to Reiwolt and Roughhead is laughable at best.
Casboult has been the main target up forward for 2 years now and he is playing at the same level now as he was 5 years ago .
Did you ever consider the reason as to why we only kick 10 goals a game is because most of our forward 50 entries are through Casboult

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:41 pm 
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/10/ ... very-cent/

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Ralph compared Casboult to Sydney forward Sam Reid who this week signed a four-year deal worth a reported $2 million.

“He’s a better player than Sam Reid,” he said.

“But quite often he goes missing whereas Casboult is a contested marking freak (ranked No. 1 in the competition) and his kicking is better than it was.”

Casboult, who will be 28 prior to the commencement of next season, is understood to want a four-year deal.

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