True, the Swans have done a brilliant job losing a GF in 2006, rebuilding their list and making it back to the top already.

Absolute credit to themselves and I hope in the future we can talk about our club the same way. They're well coached, play in a style that works in September and have a great culture.

Good luck Mick Malthouse, get the best out of our players and I reckon he can take us to the top.

Imagine how good we'll be with Mick in charge.
Surely top 4 should be our minimum expectation. Yeah?

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BV this is Ratten team.. make no mistake.....it will take him a couple of seasons to have it where he wants.
Also.... if we can string together a few wins in a row.... and also... have guys lift a cog.. guys who have been floundering...... and not be intimidated... MM has done alot to turn around this footy club...
I reckon we have been going nowhere under Ratten.. and clubs have been overtaking us and putting daylight between themselves and ourselves.

If this is reeled in im happy...

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Ratten was expected to make top 4 with our list, no excuses....surely Mick will win a premiership in 2013!!!!!

Some clubs improve straight away with a new coach, others like the Saints when Lyon started take a step backward in getting used to how the coach wants them to play before they move forward. Mick will have some pretty tough KPI's to meet no doubt, but we all know expecting nothing but a premiership in his first year won't happen.

Let's keep the discussion sensible

We will all see how poor of a coach Ratts really was.

I thought the expectation was a premiership and a top 4 finish the very least. Are we now not aiming that high or have I missed something?

Sorry Synbad, I dont buy it.
Looking through this thread we have had terrible coaching, terrible recruiting, terrible development and terrible leadership.
Yet 12 months ago we won a final by 100 points and lost a semi final in Perth by a few points. All this after 3 years of constant improvement.
And yet we sacked a coach because he didnt achieve top 4.

Our methodology is to pay out a million dollars to departing coaches, a million dollars to the highest paid coach in the AFL and suddenly we're not looking at top 4 anymore?
If we're looking to rebuild, how @#$%&! stupid are we to put a bloke in charge who qualifies for seniors meals down the pub? I dont buy it. If top 4 was the requirement for Ratten, it should be at least that for a bloke that costs twice as much.
Anything less is hypocrisy IMO.

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Unless you've got a link stating otherwise no expectations have been made public from the club.

BV our recruiting strategy was [REDACTED].......
Watch who is delisted at soon and it says the story.. all similar types.
We are thin for mids
We are poorly structured and drilled
We play with little passion and sacrifice

With the strides teams are making recently we have been falling frter and further behind.

Remember... we dont beat teams in the top 4.(apart from Collingwood).. Richmond beat Hawthorn and Sydney..
We lose to crappy teams....

and we cant string games together......

we have goals... to get into one home final win in 5 years...... we did that and thats it...
Our claim to fame is one eliminational final ... woooooppeee....
Ratts cant get a job anywhere... and im sure even you will tell the difference berween a Ratts team and a MM team...

Next year... strng some games in a row.. and turn early picks into pretty good players???....stuff the previous coach couldnt do....

Were not judging Ratten on one year... he coached in over 5 years years...120 games thereabouts...

MM will be an improvement.. and the players are chomping at the bit

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Was Ratts really sacked because we didn't finish top 4?

Or was he sacked because we finished outside the finals, and had more than a few games during the year when we played dispirited headless-chook footy?

I think they were being kind to Ratten at his presser with this whole top 4 thing. Fact is, the team lost its shit this year... It's not like we battled to a spirited 5th or 6th in 2012, is it?

At times, we were an embarrassment. That entire presser was an hour long bullshit seminar.

IMO, the CFC right now is no place for a young coach anyway. Too much ingrained stupidity for a beginner to deal with.

But I dont see that as a negative. If you're beating the teams around you and below you, that tells me you're an honest team. The key is to continue to improve.
A team like Richmond has the ability to beat Hawthorn yet they cant geat the teams around them. That's mental weakness IMO.
I also dont believe we have a great deficiency for mids. We're one good mid off being very good IMO. Our glaring weakness is a quality marking forward IMO.

With regard to our structures, I'm tipping we were one of the better teams at scoring from kick ins and boundary throw ins. IMO that demonstrates we were well structured and drilled at those facets of the game. (Thanks to Alan Richardson). Yet Malthouse concocts a bullshit story to get rid of him.
Go Figure.

Anyway. If Mick can get us top 4 next year and a realistic shot at the flag. Its been a worthwhile exercise. (Although very costly)
If he doesnt, The board should feel the same heat Ratten did because their hail Mary exercise will have left them with egg on their faces.

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Actually, I don't think that is true.
His 5 year record (just on percentage win/loss) is better than Malthouse's first 5 years and Thompson's.
I think we are reacting to this year and the fact MM was available. The club has stated that had MM not been available, Ratts would 'probably' still be the coach.


I know you are in the 'injuries didn't make any difference' camp but I am not and I think the success or failure of any coach depends on the number of players on the list he has to pick from every week (and the type of players injured as for this year all the talls).
Sydney had the most players available for all games of any club this year IIR and that has to help their system.

It may well be the case that a new coach and game pan take a while to get going but if MM were to lose all his talls again next year or all the top mids and their replacements, he will j
have the same issues to face.

I think the list is pretty sound and we have shown we can play good footy. I's the inconsistency that needs to be addressed (plus shite kicking for goal).

MM himself alluded to that when he said his priority is to reduce the gap between the team's best and worst levels.

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According to Kernahan he was.


Compared to "I know what it is, he knows what it is", the press conference was a work of art.

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Yep. Cos we haven't seen that already....

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but we couldnt win more than 4 wins in a row... and he had 3 number 1 picks... and the best player in the land...
as well...... as one elim final win under his belt.

yes ratts didnt have too many injuries ast year he finished 3 games out of the four....

... but he did get his one hme final ......

.. an dhe is unemployable.....

we need to re program this footy club.......

.. restructure it for culture.. and nouse...


most of us dont deny .... we dont have a hard edge to us.....

do you???

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I can give you a little insight into what a few players think about the new cocker MM.

They cannot wait to work with him as our coach.

I'm not going to name names coz that would not be fair but a certain player told me that the majority of the playing list are very very excited about our future.

There are a couple who are upset about Ratts going but he told me that all in all the playing group cannot wait to get to work !!!

And so they should be. Someone else took the fall for their ineptitude.
How lucky are they. With a possible finals berth at stake, they put in a piss poor effort against the second bottom side. And what's the consequence for the players?
Nothing.

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I would say that as a result of their piss poor actions they now have Malthouse to put up with
Bet if they said lose this and we will inflict Malthouse on you they would have won both games by 100 plus

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..in a brutal game that requires maximum effort and work, a slight drop in 'morale' is enough to take you off the contenders list.. ..watching us play, it was obvious team work wasn't in the club dictionary.. .... ..the ol' Malty is all about team work.. ..i've been saying for a while now, our actual playing list isn't so bad.. ..yes we have a few deficiencies but good coaching and development can mitigate these short term and a recruiting plan that's adhered to going forward will look after our future playing list-wise..

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