Fair Play KK.

And I think you're right.

Im not a fence sitter.. i assure u!!!

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Show me a post form the last year and the year before where you told us you could see a plan coming together at the Saints. Most Saints supporters could not - they wanted Cornflakes back. So your claim is BS. That the Saints suddenly have turned the corner just shows that coaching and team development is tad more complex then what you guys are claiming.

I dont know if Ratts is going to succeed - only time will tell. You are writing him off far to early.

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First explain to me what Rattens plan is

Nice try. You said that everybody could see Lyons plan. Not true. Coaching is a tad more complex.

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Apparently "the process" involves a 45 minute powerpoint presentation......anybody in the public sector or academia knows how well 98% of those things go

Nice try

I dont get that one Synbad. Conspiracy theory???? I am clutching at straws??? I think you should relax and enjoy your footy win lose or draw. No one is out to get you.

Not biting. You were exposed for a false claim... thats it.

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Mickey I couldnt see it happening for StKilda cos they have alot of average players on their list... my perception of it...

But you cant say Lyon didnt have a gameplan last year.... it actually got a perceived weak list into the top 4...

Not sure what you understand about stuff... but you cant get into the top 4 if what youre doing is a dogs brekky....

This year he added more pressure.... and not just that but his gameplan is innovative .. its evolved on whats coming before..

SECONDLY... he himself wanted and got a guy from what he believed was the best coaches box in the comp... Tudor... he wasnt afraid to bring someone from a strong coaching culture beside him.. in the fear he would be shown up...

Ratts gets blokes who will not pose a threat.. cos he doesnt have belief in himself....

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Synbad, after 7 minutes of the first quarter had elapsed, Carlton had 2 disposals! 1 kick, 1 handball.
Freo had 23 disposals and 4 inside 50s!
Our midfielders were getting smashed. You could put 15 players around the centre square, they wouldn't have got near it.

Besides, we're assuming Carlton sent players back. I dont think they did. I suspect Freo pulled their forwards out to create space. That gives Carlton the ascendancy IMO because Carlton can manipulate the match ups and nominate their preferred loose players. If Freo want to man those players up, they need to reinstate forwards which suits Carlton.

The truth is, Carlton steadied after the initial onslaught and slowly got on top. Rattens decision to assist the backline helped thast to occur IMO.

As for those posters blaming the coach for the players being flat. It is the responsibility of the player to be motivated. If they cannot self motivate, they shouldn't be playing at the highest level. In fact, several coaches (including 4 time premiership coach Leigh Matthews) rarely speak to their players prior to running out. They hold a team meeting around 45 minutes before the game and that's it!

Blaming Ratten for the players starting slowly is foolhardy. This is the 21st century, not the 1970s.

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bahahahaha

Someone's avoiding the question here.......... I think you must be a relative of Brett Ratten. I think Having no idea must be a distinguishing quality in the family

Answer my question Mikkey

Oh and Mickey???

You arent expecting Carlton supporters to watch StKilda as much as we watch our own going on...

I would think i have a better understanding on our list and games tactics than most journos or guys that talk about us on SEN.or even former presidents.. (Smorgo on Murphs marking prowess)..... cos i watch us every week....

So i wouldnt be able to disect Lyons coaching last year for you...and neither would many Carlton supporters...

Not getting the logic here mickey....really.....youre baffling me with your logic...

But yes youre allowed to use this board too... even though you dont want some of to...

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Process is necessary in all business' but its been misused and not just in the public sector and academia. It's to often part of political games in organisations. In the end decisions should be made by those employed to make them and thus be fully responsible. The overuse of process and management by committee often leads to wrong decisions and lack of accountability.

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I took your points to be supporting your "What's the flower plan" question. To me, they were fair support of that.

The rest wasn't. I wasn't having a cheap shot at you, and I apologise if you took it that way.

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I rest my case...... So lets say we make the finals this year and top 4 in 2010... would you still want to get rid of Ratts?

Another question: You do not want to name a coach who would be better. OK - so describe which type of process would secure Carlton the best coach available. I am all ears.

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Exactly ... and the team is prepared during the week...

So what happened during the week???


Steadied the ship against an undermanned Freo????

Right....


and if its 2009 not 1970.. what was Ratts on with Austin???

BV.. after 43 games you had made up your mind on Pagan........took me longer....

.. ive made mine up on Ratts....

Both blokes didnt get a job through a process scenario...

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...and therein lies the real problem.

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This condescending style does not help your arguments IMHO.

Claiming I am tring to stop you from using this board.... really - get a grip. I think you are going overboard with your posts about Ratten and thats all. It is a sign of weakness to attack or belittle the other poster in a discussion. (except for Melvey.. )

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Last night is still hurting a few pretty hard.