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MICK Malthouse’s manager has declared the Carlton coach has “absolutely no intention” of walking away from the stricken club.

As pressure mounts on Blues chiefs to back or sack the veteran coach, Peter Sidwell told the Herald Sun his long-time friend and client was not a quitter.

“Mick’s stated position is unequivocal — he will honour his contract and has absolutely no intention of reneging on those obligations,” Sidwell said last night.

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 9:27 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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agree, measuring contested possessions/ clearances is no longer a gauge to how good you're going.

hawks – and now the dogs – are a great example. they play the "give them enough rope, let 'em hang themselves" ball. they'll give up a stoppage by sending the minimum of players to it and then zoning off around the stoppage, wait for the other team to get the ball, look up have no one there and turn it over to them ... then they smash them on the rebound/ counter.

imo, if there was one stat modern footy is all about, it's disposal efficiency, followed by metres gained per disposal. the elite teams are finishing games in the 80% and having 5 or 6+ players average 300m gained (hawks have gone 90% Vs norf)... last time i checked carlton was 59%, and our metres gained is the worst in the league by a landslide.

basically it's about how much teams are willing to run and forward penetrate teams by foot.


Yes but you're addressing the outcome but I'm talking about the methodology that produces that outcome.
Disposal efficiency is largely based on having time and space to use the ball. It's no coincidence that the top 3 teams in the AFL last year for disposal efficiency also averaged the highest uncontested possession numbers per game.
It's also no coincidence that the top 4 sides in the AFL at the moment for disposal efficiency have the highest uncontested possession percentages.
And surprise surprise, those 4 teams are top 6 in the AFL.

It's also not a coincidence that our effective disposal numbers have gone through the floor with the change of game plan.
Under Ratten we were usually top 8 in the AFL for effective disposals (as high as second) because our uncontested numbers were much higher.
We ran, created, took attacking options and worked hard to retain possession.
Under Malthouse we gain possession, kick down the line and give the opposition a 50/50 chance at winning the ball back.

In Micks first year at the club our disposal efficiency dropped to last in the AFL. Guess what? Our uncontested possession average dropped to last as well. That's not personnel. That's purely game style.

So contested football numbers are enormously important. You have to win the ball to use it. It's game style that dictates how you function once you have won the ball. How you retain possession. That's what produces disposal efficiency.
That's coaching philosophy and structure.
As I've said previously, the key is to get the balance of contested V uncontested ball right. We're off the scale one way under Mick. That's purely coaching.[/quote]

Logical and blatantly true for MM.
Doesn't look good for him.

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 11:23 pm 
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In MMs favour we had scored zero from kick outs....until this week when we scored a point. Obviously having set plays from stoppages (when we have the ball) is just messy tactics that get in the way of the real deal....getting as many players into the contest so we can say' we won the contested ball'

That's superb coaching right there...
Excellent work, stick to the game plan, for Gods sake don't let stupid little strategies and set plays get in the way!!!

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 8:55 am 
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Robbo wrote an article. That's it - all over.

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When Mick was signed there were lots of people glad to see the back of Ratten and people thought MM was the right person to take us to the next level.
There were a few that said the problem with Mick is its all about Mick.
And guess what we have become a club which tge entire focus is on one person and one person alone Mick.
In his first year he was granted a pass and by default got us into the finals.
His second year he was given an out because of the 22 post season surgeries.
This year its the list despite the fact that 26 of the 44 players were brought in under Mick.
Everyone seems to be bending over backwards to shift the blame of the clubs current plight away from Mick.
MLG after 2 games gave him a pressure release saying that the club knew we weren't good enough and we are in a rebuilding stage.
He also said MM has the entire year to prove to the board he is the right man to take us into the future.
22 games to show everyone he is up to the task.
I bet Watson wishes he had 22 games to prove his worth or Graham for that matter.
Eddie did the same at Collingwood he created a position for Malthouse so he could still be part of the process.
Everyone seems to bend of backwards for Mick.
I don't understand it myself he has been around long enough to understand how football works.
The comments about his contract being a distraction the mentioning of his wife and stress she is under.
What about the stess Watson is under a kid struggling to get his career off the ground.
His lifes ambition about to be torn away from him.
I know who I feel for and its not Mick he has had his time.
The focus of this football club shouldn't be on Malthouse it should be on what can be done to see if Graham Watson Holman and the likes can live their ambition and make it.
But no it's all about Mick

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Sydney Blue wrote:
When .... was signed there were lots of people glad to see the back of Ratten and people thought .... was the right person to take us to the next level.
There were a few that said the problem with .... is its all about .....
And guess what we have become a club which the entire focus is on one person and one person alone .....
In his first year he was granted a pass and by default got us into the finals.
His second year he was given an out because of the 22 post season surgeries.
This year its the list despite the fact that 26 of the 44 players were brought in under .....
Everyone seems to be bending over backwards to shift the blame of the clubs current plight away from .....
MLG after 2 games gave him a pressure release saying that the club knew we weren't good enough and we are in a rebuilding stage.
He also said .... has the entire year to prove to the board he is the right man to take us into the future.
22 games to show everyone he is up to the task.
I bet Watson wishes he had 22 games to prove his worth or Graham for that matter.
Eddie did the same at Collingwood he created a position for .... so he could still be part of the process.
Everyone seems to bend of backwards for .....
I don't understand it myself he has been around long enough to understand how football works.
The comments about his contract being a distraction the mentioning of his wife and stress she is under.
What about the stress Watson is under a kid struggling to get his career off the ground.
His life's ambition about to be torn away from him.
I know who I feel for and it's not .... he has had his time.
The focus of this football club shouldn't be on .... it should be on what can be done to see if Graham Watson Holman and the likes can live their ambition and make it.
But no it's all about ....


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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 9:57 am 
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Effes wrote:
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/carlton-coach-mick-malthouse-will-honour-contract-says-his-manager-peter-sidwell/story-e6frf3e3-1227359479052

MICK Malthouse’s manager has declared the Carlton coach has “absolutely no intention” of walking away from the stricken club.

As pressure mounts on Blues chiefs to back or sack the veteran coach, Peter Sidwell told the Herald Sun his long-time friend and client was not a quitter.

“Mick’s stated position is unequivocal — he will honour his contract and has absolutely no intention of reneging on those obligations,” Sidwell said last night.

Well why would you quit if you can force a pay out.

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 11:25 am 
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Paying out Malthouse really isn't an issue because we are committed to paying him until 31 October anyway. The question would be how much of a pay rise would Laidley require to take on the caretaker role?

Interim coaches are nothing new. Hocking stepped in for Port before they secured Hinkley, the old Adelaide coach did it at Melbourne before Roos was appointed.

Port started 2012 with 1 win and 6 losses. It was their loss to GWS which sealed Primus' coaching career shut, though it was Round 19 and they had won 5 games by then.


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Sydney Blue wrote:
When Mick was signed there were lots of people glad to see the back of Ratten and people thought MM was the right person to take us to the next level.
There were a few that said the problem with Mick is its all about Mick.
And guess what we have become a club which tge entire focus is on one person and one person alone Mick.
In his first year he was granted a pass and by default got us into the finals.
His second year he was given an out because of the 22 post season surgeries.
This year its the list despite the fact that 26 of the 44 players were brought in under Mick.
Everyone seems to be bending over backwards to shift the blame of the clubs current plight away from Mick.
MLG after 2 games gave him a pressure release saying that the club knew we weren't good enough and we are in a rebuilding stage.
He also said MM has the entire year to prove to the board he is the right man to take us into the future.
22 games to show everyone he is up to the task.
I bet Watson wishes he had 22 games to prove his worth or Graham for that matter.
Eddie did the same at Collingwood he created a position for Malthouse so he could still be part of the process.
Everyone seems to bend of backwards for Mick.
I don't understand it myself he has been around long enough to understand how football works.
The comments about his contract being a distraction the mentioning of his wife and stress she is under.
What about the stess Watson is under a kid struggling to get his career off the ground.
His lifes ambition about to be torn away from him.
I know who I feel for and its not Mick he has had his time.
The focus of this football club shouldn't be on Malthouse it should be on what can be done to see if Graham Watson Holman and the likes can live their ambition and make it.
But no it's all about Mick

Rattan should never have been coach.
It's flowed onto this.
If we had got the first appointment right we wouldn't be here at this place today...

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:11 pm 
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Oh and to have not come down this road we couldn't have done it with the board we had/ have.
It's the butterfly effect.
Just watch what happens from here...

Can you smell what we're cooking?

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:16 pm 
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Can you elaborate Synbad?


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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:19 pm 
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I am glad Mick will stay till the end of the year. We need to come bottom 2 or 3.

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 6:16 pm 
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It won't matter who's coach.
The club is in anchor mode for years...

I wouldn't worry about results for the next two decades but there will be some spikes where we win elimination finals.
We're going to get creamed over the next few years...
Where are our players from the last six to right years from the first three rounds of their drafts?

Gone and won't recover!

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 6:18 pm 
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RoweyandBicks @RoweyandBicks · 5m 5 minutes ago

MICK MALTHOUSE: I can't answer for the board, the players haven't told me they don't want me there and I want to continue to work hard.
MALTHOUSE: As far as I'm concerned I'll coach until they don't want me to coach. I'm not going to walk away.
MALTHOUSE: Right now I feel like I've got the support of Steven and the board to go to the end of the year. If that changes it changes.

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 6:26 pm 
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This is irrelevant navel gazing...funny that people are interested...
They can sack him and replace him with laidley it doesn't matter.
Mark roll the dice let the players in on a secret... They're not laying for anything and they're all up for trade..
They're not really loved by the club.
Sos told him they're all rubbish

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 6:27 pm 
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Silvagni gives us 4-5 years to get competitive again. Sounds right to me. We are back in 2005. 4 years from now is 2019 ie 2009, our first year back in the finals. Simple.


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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 6:29 pm 
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Just think how tall Cripps will be in 4 years!


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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 6:38 pm 
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Yeah 2020/21

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 6:40 pm 
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20 flags by 2020 !

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20 by 2020

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