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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 4:45 pm 
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Crucial block ahead with none of those games exactly being mission impossible. Dare I ask what a pass mark should be? Two wins?



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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 4:54 pm 
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Dude, we were never ever favourites, despite your daily proclamations and after losing over 500 games of experience were never s chance, hence the bookies smashing our odds out long. It was loopy for anyone to have backed us today and I am perplexed by your insistence we were favourites.

We brought in a hack ruck who has lost us games this year, a debutant, a third year player who hasn’t been on the park for two years and averaged 11 possessions a game when he did play, and you expect us to be improved? Nup. Never gonna happen.

I hazard a guess North were around 26yo per player and we were 23. That’s why the bookies backed them not us. Forget the vibe. Forget Mabo. Forget etc.

We were up against it from a Thursday night on.


I'm frankly too pissed off to get into a lengthy argument and am the first to admit I'm not thinking too clearly. But I'll just leave this here and move on.

The above factors you quote are exactly the things this team needs to learn to overcome if they have any aspirations to leave the bottom, let alone become a force. To me we were "favourites" today because I stupidly believed they were ready to take the next step and rise above the usual excuses.

My predictions were based on the two team lineups I saw, and what I saw was an inexperienced but talented group versus the worst performed 22 in the competition, despite their age and experience advantage.

None of the factors you raise are any excuse for lack of effort, or being unprepared. Nuffies like us on an internet forum knew they'd come out breathing fire and would try to hit us hard, yet our players were still surprised and barely raised a whimper in response.

Not to mention that we should be well beyond the point of relying on 30+ year olds who are nearing the end of their careers to do the heavy lifting for us.

And the Mabo/vibe thing was a joke. Just a way of saying I couldn't be arsed writing a long essay about why I felt today's game was very winnable and a crucial stepping stone. But I guess I've just gone and done it now.

Overall, given we're in the Bolton thread, games like today are the definition of coach-killers.


That’s a lot of words, all of which don’t correlate with where exactly where we are right now.

We have a lot of good younguns but they are young and can’t do it all themselves. And we have very few in between. Then take out more experience. Well there was no chance we would ever match an old team like north. They are old and inept. Yeah, they can beat us. And other young sides. They are full of big bodies who will never win a premiership. Their coach is a nut. They have stocked up on B grade older player. Big deal. I’ll eat a kipper stuffed with dirty socks if they win a premiership before us.

Down hill skiers.

Yup. Better than us but big whoop. They’re cauliflower.


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 6:01 pm 
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Good post-game presser. But I still don't think it's going to save him, unless we find a way to win some games. Pity because I think he's the best coach we've had since Brittain.


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 6:04 pm 
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Good post-game presser. But I still don't think it's going to save him, unless we find a way to win some games. Pity because I think he's the best coach we've had since Brittain.


By what measure?

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 6:56 pm 
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So hypothetically if Bolts were to vacate the spot, who would be the possibilities out there who could improve the team strategically and mentally? aka “The next Clarko”?

Or is Russell the guy to do this?

Because if Bolton is sakced we all know Barker takes the seat again for the year.

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 6:56 pm 
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If you're talking about where he rates as a coach, rather than the presser. We've had rubbish coaches since Brittain. Pagan and Malthouse were disasters. And Ratten, who had the best squad of the 3, was only a little better.


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 7:12 pm 
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If Walls is true to his tough talking ways as a journalist he will be telling Bolton is put a line through Murphy.


Give him the Shane Stempel treatment


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 7:16 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
So hypothetically if Bolts were to vacate the spot, who would be the possibilities out there who could improve the team strategically and mentally?

aka “The next Clarko”

Because if Bolton is sakced we all know Barker takes the seat again.


He won’t be sacked at least until next season.

Seems you had higher expectations today than I did, today doesn’t change much for me.


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 7:19 pm 
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If Walls is true to his tough talking ways as a journalist he will be telling Bolton is put a line through Murphy.


Agree...just collecting his super atm

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 7:25 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
dadadadada wrote:
If Walls is true to his tough talking ways as a journalist he will be telling Bolton is put a line through Murphy.


Agree...just collecting his super atm


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 7:28 pm 
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I like Bolts, I like and appreciate what he’s done for the club. To pretty much sacrifice your senior coaching career for a club that you’ve no previous history with is noble.

BUT

I worry what will happen if he continues, if we keep losing. I have no doubt that Hawthorn eye McKay as their next key forward, Geelong view Curnow as their Hawkins replacement etc.

If we don’t start winning the wolves will be at the door, if they’re not already.


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 7:31 pm 
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I like Bolts, I like and appreciate what he’s done for the club. To pretty much sacrifice your senior coaching career for a club that you’ve no previous history with is noble.

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I worry what will happen if he continues, if we keep losing. I have no doubt that Hawthorn eye McKay as their next key forward, Geelong view Curnow as their Hawkins replacement etc.

If we don’t start winning the wolves will be at the door, if they’re not already.


Thats the trouble Desi,the jackals are already circling.

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 7:39 pm 
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We are all sitting here saying it is not Bolton.
We are right there is an entire professional coaching team that are employed to get the best out of some of the best talent in the country and its not happening.

My question is "How bad does it need to get "

After a 2 and 20 season we are now 1 and 6 . Plus we have only played 1 team in the 8 and they are currently sitting 7th.

The tough stuff is yet to come.
How bad does it need to get before they make a call on this coach and his staff.

1 and 10
Another 2 win season
Another big name recruit turn us down
Another big name like Cripps leaves
Another 2 to 3 years.

There becomes a time where no amount of patience or no amount of time will be enough.

If today is the best you can produce against the bottom side after 4 preseasons and 50 plus list changes and 73 games in charge well surely it is time to call time and move on.

He was pleading during his presser today trying to say there was improvement.

There is no improvement I don't care what spin you put on it

Surely it's time for Bolton to go.

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 7:44 pm 
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verbs wrote:
99prelim wrote:
dadadadada wrote:
If Walls is true to his tough talking ways as a journalist he will be telling Bolton is put a line through Murphy.


Agree...just collecting his super atm


Thanks for your imput Kane. List cloggers?


And thanks for your irrelevant overreaction to someone's opinion Dwayne...enjoy the 'shake and bake in your dreams' tonight'

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:25 pm 
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He would want to get some more wins soon because at some stage the powers that be will determine the improvement should be translating to wins. Is that now?


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:43 pm 
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I think Bolts will be given to the bye round to turn things around. That gives him 6 more weeks.


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:45 pm 
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We are all sitting here saying it is not Bolton.
We are right there is an entire professional coaching team that are employed to get the best out of some of the best talent in the country and its not happening.

My question is "How bad does it need to get "

After a 2 and 20 season we are now 1 and 6 . Plus we have only played 1 team in the 8 and they are currently sitting 7th.

The tough stuff is yet to come.
How bad does it need to get before they make a call on this coach and his staff.

1 and 10
Another 2 win season
Another big name recruit turn us down
Another big name like Cripps leaves
Another 2 to 3 years.

There becomes a time where no amount of patience or no amount of time will be enough.

If today is the best you can produce against the bottom side after 4 preseasons and 50 plus list changes and 73 games in charge well surely it is time to call time and move on.

He was pleading during his presser today trying to say there was improvement.

There is no improvement I don't care what spin you put on it

Surely it's time for Bolton to go.

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SB, its the 50 list changes that give him an out - he hasnt had a settled team since he started. he has also had big name injuries, so even less of a settled team of his best 22 on the park. since doc went down, so has the on field performance

i did see some improvement, and i think if we had have beaten hawks and gcs, the pressure would be well off, ut if wishes were fishes....

but today showed the improvement can be undone very quickly, its the coaches job to get them mentally ready, and this failed.

i am leaning more towards the sakc bolts camp now, but i think doing it mid season will damage the club further, and may hasten some departures. if cripps ever asks for a trade, we might as well shut the doors

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:54 pm 
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Bolton said in the pre season that the list was now settled and that we had begun stage 2 of the rebuild. So we are 1-6 with some honourable losses against mid table sides, and today we lost due to senior players out it can be argued (but the lack of intensity for all bar that little 10 minute patch was a real worry).

If we finish at 3-19 which is about all we can expect, is that enough after a season in stage 2 ?

When does stage 3 begin ?


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 8:57 pm 
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To be fair, stage 2 is development and this still doesn't guarantee wins. Today was not a development day though.


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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 9:57 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
So hypothetically if Bolts were to vacate the spot, who would be the possibilities out there who could improve the team strategically and mentally? aka “The next Clarko”?

Or is Russell the guy to do this?

Because if Bolton is sakced we all know Barker takes the seat again for the year.


Should have hired Barker in the first place.

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