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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:28 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
A good trade period for Carlton Football Club
Three players wanting to come to Carlton got there
Thomas is a star and hopefully the other two will play plenty of games for Carlton Docherty and Everett
Kept our first pick got a late second rounder
Much better than last preseason
Still need KPP but well done


Agree completely it was a good trade period. The best bit was that we got three players who, despite other suitors and their previous clubs WANTING to retain them, CHOSE to leave and play for us (Ok, Daisy was for money and his hatred of Buckley!).

That is a good sign.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:02 pm 
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Watson is a crucial component to our structure - if he improves, the list structure looks much better although still light on for depth

McCarthy and Mitchells failure really hurt us.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:05 pm 
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fmurphy30 wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
A good trade period for Carlton Football Club
Three players wanting to come to Carlton got there
Thomas is a star and hopefully the other two will play plenty of games for Carlton Docherty and Everett
Kept our first pick got a late second rounder
Much better than last preseason
Still need KPP but well done


Agree completely it was a good trade period. The best bit was that we got three players who, despite other suitors and their previous clubs WANTING to retain them, CHOSE to leave and play for us (Ok, Daisy was for money and his hatred of Buckley!).

That is a good sign.


That's a tick also from me :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:39 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:58 pm 
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Yep, give the constraints of the salary cap and our list, i think the result was as good as could be hoped for. Well done.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:24 pm 
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Dropping 7 picks to 39 hardly ideal. That's not good negotiating when he's worth 51. Having said that, I think he'll help...but he what's the bet he ends up a back pocket specialist.


Based on what analysis?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:43 pm 
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Really happy with the results.

Everett made my day.
I've wanted him since he was a TAC candidate.
My wish has come true.

I think some undervalue what we bring in with him.
I was starting to feel desperate and hoping we'd land a Staker type to get us through the next 2 years.

Whatever you think we have got ourselves 3 first rounders...and got a pick 39. IMO that's great.
Imagine if we only had 13 and 51.

I hope we pick up a real winner in a mature player from VFL SAFL WAFL and I like the balance of our list.

Next years trade period we keep upgrading in class.

Everett and Thomas.....fMD I'm over the moon. :beer:

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:48 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Really happy with the results.

Everett made my day.
I've wanted him since he was a TAC candidate.
My wish has come true.

I think some undervalue what we bring in with him.
I was starting to feel desperate and hoping we'd land a Staker type to get us through the next 2 years.

Whatever you think we have got ourselves 3 first rounders...and got a pick 39. IMO that's great.
Imagine if we only had 13 and 51.

I hope we pick up a real winner in a mature player from VFL SAFL WAFL and I like the balance of our list.

Next years trade period we keep upgrading in class.

Everett and Thomas.....fMD I'm over the moon. :beer:

:clap: love your work BB
If Thomas's ankle holds up we've done very well. Given our situation we've improved the list. Lets forget the past and rip into the future!


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:11 pm 
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Great Trade Period...
The only thing missing was picking up a Key forward, but there weren't any suitable options really.
Next step is to draft the best available at Pick 13, and a tall forward option (Thorpe ?) with our next pick.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:46 pm 
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We did well.

Where is Mr Negativity?

I give you one guess.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:20 pm 
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Andy McKay said on radio yesterday morning that pick 13 will be used on a classy outside mid/sweeper type.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:38 am 
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tap in 79 wrote:
I would like to see Carlton at least consider Andrejs Everitt... a fringe player from a successful club is a lot more worthwhile than recruiting an average player from a poor club. Sydney have done this well over the years- eg Marty Mattner - fringe player at Adelaide etc...maybe Everitt is worth consideration as he is uncontracted and could play half forward for insurance. It will be interesting to see where Everitt finishes up.



I picked this back on October 2nd.

Personally, I think this is a good move. Time will tell though. The proof is in the pudding and other such cliches.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:07 am 
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barass wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
Dropping 7 picks to 39 hardly ideal. That's not good negotiating when he's worth 51. Having said that, I think he'll help...but he what's the bet he ends up a back pocket specialist.


Based on what analysis?


Apparently on the fact that McKay and Swann aren't great negotiators. I'm actually waiting to hear what that is based on.

Dr have you ever been in a room with McKay and/or Swann where negotiations have been taking place? I'm interested to know how you have arrived at your beliefs. Are they based on personal dealings or from others 2nd hand ?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:57 am 
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I'm very pleased with the outcome of trade week, given the burden of a bulging TPP.

Smart footballers that can run and use the ball.

Other than a couple of pure midfielder ball-winners with class and a gun key forward our list looks reasonably competitive. Still plenty of repair work to be done, but it's a step in the right direction.


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Do we know how we managed to fit Everitt into the salary cap?

Hopefully we haven't overpaid too much for him, but reports are we offered him more than the Swans were able to.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:22 am 
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..not too big overs, buddy deal was wreaking havoc and swans had to offload, maybe we offered more but talk was swans were forced to purge some cap space so even if we did offer everitt more than swans did it need not be big offer cos both our tpp is full just there's more than ours..

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:30 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
barass wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
Dropping 7 picks to 39 hardly ideal. That's not good negotiating when he's worth 51. Having said that, I think he'll help...but he what's the bet he ends up a back pocket specialist.


Based on what analysis?


Apparently on the fact that McKay and Swann aren't great negotiators. I'm actually waiting to hear what that is based on.

Dr have you ever been in a room with McKay and/or Swann where negotiations have been taking place? I'm interested to know how you have arrived at your beliefs. Are they based on personal dealings or from others 2nd hand ?

Regards Cazzesman


The back pocket comment wasn't a disparaging one. He's quite capable of playing on smalls.

Yes...I have been in a room with Macca while negotiations have been taking place. And as foe Greg Swann...no - havent been in a room with Greg before, but remember he began his distinguished career in list management by signing Jarrad Waite to a 3-year deal.

Their reputation among other clubs isn't great. But until the brass in the board room wake up and smell the coffee, we're stuck with these guys, like Wayne Hughes, who just aren't very good at their jobs.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:30 am 
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Everitt had by far his best year in 2013 with the Swans, and was a starting 22 pretty much from Round 8. I think he's a fine pick up with some versatility however his best work is certainly in the back half. Has learned where to position himself in the defensive hole to take a grab. Could mean more forward time for Henderson.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:39 am 
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Has to be seen as a successful trading period as long a Thomas' ankle holds up. We bring in 3 players who give us what we need - Thomas = hard running mid who runs both ways, Docherty = small defender with top disposal and potential to move into mids and Everitt = taller more athletic third tall defender with better disposal cf White/McInnes who can also run in midfield (unlike them) or forward (unlike McInnes). Or, a third tall forward type releasing say Walker/Waite/Menzel to other duties and who can play back/mid. Or a taller midfielder - a type we lack - who can also play back/forward. And because of his extra height more capable of stepping into the second tall role at either end (though I concede not really a second tall, he is closer than the other 3rd tall types we have).

So the ins are handy. The outs are a slight downgrade from our second round pick to first pick in the third round (in a draft like this where it peters out earlier than either of them it will be a lottery at either pick) Hampson and Betts. Hampson was clearly relegated to third in the ruck pecking order and not making it as a forward. I have always thought he had potential, but after this long with no steady improvement I don't think he will make great strides as a forward and if he does succeed as a ruckman we can comfort ourselves with the knowledge he was probably never going to get the chance to do so at Carlton. All in all the swap effectively of our 3rd string ruckman for a small defender with class disposal has to be treated as a win. The loss of Betts is significant. He is a quality player, albeit not having had a great season in 2013. However, small forwards are another area we don't lack in and I am not sure Eddie was suited by the Malthouse game plan. He is not your classical crumbing small forward, he does more work on the lead, even overhead, but then doubling up for the crumbs as required. Under the Malthouse game plan his leads aren't honoured as often or as well and I think that contributed to his poorer season. At the end of the day three amigos who can't contribute much time in the middle is one too many and although Eddie could be good when he went into the middle he couldn't do so for long. I will miss him, but with Adelaide and North prepared to pay overs to secure him and the lure of family not only can you not blame Eddie for going, you can't blame the club for letting him go rather than matching the offer.

All in all, are we now looking at being able to field a better 22 than before the trade period? I think we clearly are. What has it cost us net? - effectively a downgrade of pick 33 to 39.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:01 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
And as foe Greg Swann...no - havent been in a room with Greg before, but remember he began his distinguished career in list management by signing Jarrad Waite to a 3-year deal.


I'm sick of this being used as an example of poor list management.
You guys all realise that because he was given 3 years, he is actually using less salary cap space than he would if we only gave him 2? His old contract qualified under previous Veterans List rules, so we are getting a 50% saving. If we gave him 2, and another contract this year, we'd only save $112,500.

Or are you suggesting that Waite should have been delisted if not for his contract? :roll:

Now the administration and List Management of the club may be a long way from perfect, but this is not one of the examples where they have stuffed up.


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