I think TeagueyYouBeauty was asking what your point was?

From what I am reading the point is to not pay Fev big dollars based on potential because he is 27 and rather pay him a salary that recognises his past performance. He has won a hand full of games off his own boot and been a problem child for the club. His past performance does not represent the salary he is commanding. This contract has to be performance based or we are flowered.

It is a pretty good point.

I also agree with Caz, we cannot afford to put our eggs all in one basket. We still need some quality to come into the team from outside for us to win a premiership.

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

Similar to when Nathan Buckley was offered bucket loads to go back to Port Adelaide.

I beleive his management advised him that while the money upfront from Port Adelaide was better, in the long-term, he would make more money from his image as 'champion Collingwood Captain' which now seems to be the case after he has retired.

In the long-term, Fev may do better being known as 'Champion Carlton Full-Forward' !!

i understand that but in a normal workplace there's no reason to stay loyal to your company, in sport there is. i know that doesn't sound too strong but if i was offred a better pay for my job elsewhere i'd switch straight away but if my sporting team offered me slightly less than elsewhere i'd stay for loyalty reasons.

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Or you could just go for the cash and invest it in a real quality portfolio of assets.

Isn't that right Dave?

And now your client doesnt have his name on a locker at either club and you might get a visit every now and then.

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I think my point is.....that Fev will stay and i dont get why people are just negative on him cos he hasnt signed...

Let me ask you this.....

Does Fev need to sign today in order to play for the CFC next year?
Does the club need Fev signed today in order for him to play for the CFC next year?
Do we have other players to sign at the moment as well?
Do other clubs have players to sign as well?
Is Fev not signing(at present) unique in football???

I can ask a whole heap of questions and get giggles out of you lot but i wont.....cos im abit busy.....

... but the Chicken Littles get MY point.....

... contract negotiations are just that..... it happens every year with countless players....

BUT my last questions is..... WHY WOULD FEV LEAVE???....cos some of you are acting like he said so....

... and do we need to turn onto Murph also?????

.. just for consistencies sake.....

Just grow up!!!!(not you .... just the chicken littles)

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I totally agree with what you are saying and I really hope he signs and we have room in the cap to get another gun player and still keep the young guns.

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

Why do we need another gun player through the trade period?
To me thats silly....

You keep your early picks .. for us to trade for a gun footballer... we need to trade early picks / someone ike Walker... and pay alot of money to get him across....

We did it with Judd... i dont see the reason to have to do it again,.,,



Just so people understand......... to bring in anther topliner you have to trade quality... and with an emeging team of kids we have to keep adding them to the bank of young guns not go outside what has been working for us (except Judd- and there aint too many Judds)

For the club to go out headhunting some more it means they have no faith in their development structures or recruiting teams....

Recipe for disaster!!!

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We have a bank of young guns. Sure we could go for more, but that isn't a guarantee to gain quality, or the type we're missing.

We don't have a CHB; I say this because we're robbong Waite from wing-CHF to play him CHB.

We could do with a ruckman to support Hampson-Kreuzer during their development years; who knows, we may just play finals last year and need a developed one to support the young guns on our list.

Keep the option to trade open; we never know what's around the corner.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

Synbad is 100% on the money I reckon.

There. I said it.

I couldn't give a toss if Fev or Murphy sign NOW. Let them just keep playing good footy. I'm certain neither of them want to leave, and just let the herald sun and Radio Bogans&NoShows keep the circle jerk going.

Fev says nothing.

= "He's off to Sydney" GARBAGE.

Hutchy can say this stuff because no one will ever know. Watch it EVERY year, you cast a wide enough net - ie make 30 ambit claims of player X going to Club Y (or player Y going to Club X ) and you might get one right. GENIUS!

I don't want Fev to be known as 'Champion Carlton Full Forward'. I want him to be known as 'Carlton's Premiership Full-Forward'.

I'm not worried that Fev will sign. I reckon he will.

But with the people who now run the club, I'm also not worried that we'll financially cripple ourselves to keep him. I would have been 3 years ago.

Chicken Little indeed.

If you let Hutchy control your daily emotions you're in for a nightmare life... The bloke has a degree in Grade 3 Creative Writing.

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Congratulations CK95

Interesting point just been raised.
I'm a fair believer that for longeviity you need the majority of your top picks intact, ie. our pick 8,9 or whatever this year could get us a Trentgrove or Hartlett or Yarrin, etc ... That's probably another 200 game player to go with our kids and more importantly another 10 year player.
Having said that like last year you must always keep your options open for the Judd's of this world when and if they come available but that doesn't happen often.
What we must be careful about right now however is, we just spent 3 top 20 picks for Judd last year ... we cannot afford to do that again this year. That's when the farm starts to get sold at firesale prices.

exactly synbad. this is why i hope everyday that jonathan brown and daniel kerr re-sign with their current teams asap. we'll never win in a deal where we have to trade walker because no other club knows how much potential he has. we'll never win out of a deal we're we ave to trade any of our young guns. the only way i'd be willing to trade for brown is if we were to give picks and any of carrazzo, scotland, thornton, stevens. we have to try and keep a setlled list imo and let them work through this together. as you said, we already landed the best player in the afl and that's enough for us.

getting back on topic, like you said earlier it doesn't matter when fev signs as long as he does sign. i am a bit diappointed in the way he's handled this whole issue, but i'm confident he will sign with us again.

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So who is a CHB that is possibly available????

Like are we going to get ourseves a Scarett????

If some of you people think youre going to have the complete team in the blink of an eye youre deluding yourselves.....!!!

Thats the whole point of recruitment packaged up with a great development formula.....

To bring in a 'gun' CHB/CHF youre going to have to play him $500k plus and trade away alot.....(not a second rounder and Houla- like some of you think)


So each time you give away something great for the short term (5 years ).. youre costing yourself something in the long term (10 years)

People have to burn the mentality that we can emerge by cheque book recruitment..... thats what got us into trouble in the first place...
Id go for a Warnock cos he shoudnt cost the world and he releases Krezer to CHF going forward....

Who cares about Waite playing back??(unless he keeps kncking out Judd with his ambulance disposal)...People talk about Waite like hes a superstar playing in the wrong spot!!!!

We have got emerging guns and we have to keep adding to them... not subtracting them for ready made players from other clubs....Youre not going to find instant satisfaction... you just have to stick to the plan!!!!

We already seem to be waivering....

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You need to be in a position where you have options. Someone like Gibbs may say I am home sick and want to leave. If you have a full cap then you lose Gibbs and cannot replace him with a ready made star and instead forced to go with draft picks in a trade.

You never know what might happen.

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

Ok so Gibbs goes to Adelaide what do they have that we want???

If youre a good club... and youre going places.... and its a well run machine... noone leaves!!!!

Id like to think we are a good club environment...

I want no short cuts!!!

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Totally agree with the Sailor Man.

I want to watch what we have grow together and top them up each year with potential Premiership players.

No more fast tracking of players with the cheque book.

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Hutchy would have gotten his story from the reports that Fev was telling people at the boxing match that sydney had offered him huge sums - that has also been mentioned recently in 2 articles in the HUN (tim morrisey + mark robinson).

I've no idea whether hutchy writes for the HUN, or any other paper for that matter, however the following from the morrisey article, if true is quite damning of Fev's actions



Not saying that whats been written in the article is true, however there wouldnt be any reason for Kieza (or the other 2 unamed sources) to make stuff up about Fev.

Having said that though, I dont see the club losing Fev at the end of this season - if they were going to trade him then it would have been done years ago.

In terms of the talk about bringing in a gun - I cant see it happening either. Our 1st round pick should definitely be off limits unless we somehow got a deal like 1st round pick for Pav in a straight swap. I'd be open to trading our second round pick though for someone like Mckinley, or another similar young player who could come straight into the team and contribute in a meaningful way

Maybe Fevola was treating Hutchy like the flog that he is.. and everybody was in on the joke except Hutchy and those that take it seriously...

Like its not the first time thats happened....

Why would you want a185 cm McInley???
Were flush with thirs forwards.. not too crash hot with second forwards atm....


Ireckon you can get a McInley in this years draft if you want one...

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1. Hutchy wasnt the one being quoted in the article. To suggest that Fevs alleged comments were a running joke with the entire fenech corner just to get at hutchy is a bit of a stretch even for someone like you. Kieza didnt seem to be in on the joke either. Even if it was said in jest, it is ill conceived/poorly timed/unnecessary. Fev would have to know the comments would get out to the press.
2. Mckinley offers a good forward option - good attack on the ball and a good strong mark. Has also been shown to be able to kick bags of goals rather than just 1-2/game (like fisher currently does). Fisher/edwards might be able to kick a bag though neither has shown any inclination to do so as yet and certainly not on a regular basis - from memory Fishers best is 6? whilst in the ants, in the seniors its 3. Edwards probably best is 3 in the ants.

In terms of getting a mckinley in this years draft - Mckinley has had 3 seasons to develop, physically he is ready to go and as such is more capable to coming straight into the team next season and being able to make a contribution as opposed to a 1st year draftee.

How do you know who is on a joke or not in on a joke...?????

Or is Fev did or didnt come in and say "Boys.. watch me be news this week!!!".. ill bet you $1k i will be....

Youre just getting your knickers in a twist...

again McInley is not a first or second forward..maybe not even a third forward...

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It doesnt matter whether its a joke or not - it shouldnt have been said - it places undue pressure on the club.

On mckinley - it doesnt matter if he's a 1st, 2nd or 3rd forward. He is a noted goal kicker and works reasonably hard - as such he would be a welcome addition to the team. He has kicked bags of 7 and 8 in the wafl previously, and in his 11 games at AFL level is averaging 2 goals, 0.8 behinds/game - ie just under 3 shots at goal/game. For 2008 he has kicked 21 goals and looks to be on track for a 30-35goal season. That is a pretty decent return for a forward regardless of whether he is 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th forward. At 21 he is also in the right age range for the club to consider.

But of course we dont need a 21yo medium forward that averages 2 goals/game, we have Fev to kick all our goals