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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:11 am 
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If you went to the games, Synbad, you'd have less time to dominate TC.

You should try and see more games.

It can be fun. If you don't go you lose sight of why we are a club and who sits in the terraces. It just becomes a thing of theory. Trust me. I am suffering the same malaise through geographical limitations but am resisting the urge to become a keyboard critic and trying to maintain contact as best I can.

Footy is about the weekly game and the people around you and the pies and spilt drinks and traffic and the ride home on the tram/train with the song ringing out (or not). I miss it a lot. especially the pies. I'd kill for a decent pie and sauce...


..you're right in that the game [footy] is what you described.. .the clubs involved in it, the league itself, is a whole 'nother beast.. .... ..and generally as younger ppl, ignorance being bliss is what made us love our club and the game, unconditionally.. ..but as you begin to learn things, knowledge screws it all up.. ... ..and maintaining optimism in the face of knowedlege and recent club history is difficult.. ..especially when all the words you hear, don't match the actions done..

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:15 am 
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Synbad wrote:
kezza wrote:
Synbad wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
Reality of the situation is:

- Players will only get to Carlton if they want to come (Thomas & Docherty). Not because we're able to successfully extol the virtues of our football club.

- The delistings and lack of interest in our 2013 list is disgraceful. Recruitment and coaches are to blame. Quite clearly the coaches to blame have for the most part already left. The recruiters responsible are still there. Why?

- I like the two additions a lot. But it wasn't through the efforts of our list management team. This should have, in part, opened a lot more supporters eyes as to the gravity of the situation many of us have been on about. Meanwhile, the refusals from potential assistant coaches keep coming.

We have a lot of ground to make up. It won't happen with the people we have pulling the strings now.


Agree on all points. Feel as though we have wasted another opportunity.


the opportuity was not lost in 2013
it was lost 6 years ago.... its the butterfly affect .. who knows when it will stop the flow on....

shit president
shit coach
shit board
shit ceo
shit recruiters
shit footy dept
shit media guy
shit membership dept

was never thought out well.... never planned for thoroughly...

what we see now is the shit that has clogged up the dunny

most of it still exists

Shit i didnt realize we were that shit. :banghead: :banghead:






if footy club ledger has good clubs and shit clubs
what side does carlton sit in???
what side did we used to be on ???

juddy is diplomatic he calls us "mediocre"



Didn't you know Synbad that "mediocre" is an old Swahili word that tranlates in English to "shit".

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:25 am 
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Andy McKay was on radio this morning. He confirmed that we had constraints in what we could do this trade period.
When asked if the constraints were salary cap issues he said they were.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:32 am 
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kezza wrote:
Andy McKay was on radio this morning. He confirmed that we had constraints in what we could do this trade period.
When asked if the constraints were salary cap issues he said they were.


Yeah thats absurd!! we must have some guys besides Juddy & Daisy on decent coin,far more than what they're worth or at least not worth the effort they're putting out on the field.A few guys on to the veterans list as well now as well???....very poor list management. :mad:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:47 am 
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The club does some things right or wrong---- you always make choices.
Might not be wrong to everyone but they are not putting themselves in a good position to win a flag.
Looked in big footy last night some people said tc is depressing and I'm negative. Loll
Was all positive and upbeat in there...
Felt like bomberblitz ... blindly following whatever-
Secondly I think they have a lot of younger supporters who have little perspective of what this club is... What's happened in the competition and how that graph is placing and projecting us.


Blue sombrero.

Footy is not the same game... Next year's rule changes will illustrate that some more.
You can't keep fiddling with the sport and expect it to be the same game I grew up with.
I now have a different focus of interest.
Not saying I have no appreciation of the actual games just they're secondary now.

I go... I just don't go as much.

It's boring at the footy. Security people marching around looking for players to point out fourteen year old girls to frog march out of the stadium for racial vilification.
People go there as if they're of to the jam factory to watch a movie.
At the end of two hours they must leave our go to one of the bars and leave their cash.
It's an impersonal feeling. your allocated seat is where you sit...
I get acdc and hug a cam for our game entertainment.

In not of the young gen and don't know better.... I just can't get into what footy is now. Meet someone from here at the gws game which was nice we spoke about alot of things but the football was blah.
They may have had 250 supporters- their colours were insignificant... They got smashed.

Felt nothing like a Prince's park smashing of st kilda in the eighties. I'd go with my saints cousins. Robbie mure would crunch Montgomery the crowd would be loud the unless would be scared of Muir and so would wet as he gave us a crazy look for booing him and threatened to jump the fence.

Different kind of theater

The hugging cam?
Acdc?

Stick it up your arses.!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:49 am 
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judd2fev wrote:
kezza wrote:
Andy McKay was on radio this morning. He confirmed that we had constraints in what we could do this trade period.
When asked if the constraints were salary cap issues he said they were.


Yeah thats absurd!! we must have some guys besides Juddy & Daisy on decent coin,far more than what they're worth or at least not worth the effort they're putting out on the field.A few guys on to the veterans list as well now as well???....very poor list management. :mad:

Juddy if on the most.
Daisy is similar to Murphy
We look after ours or they might leave.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:22 am 
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For a start, Carrazzo and Waite are on far too much coin, relative to their worth.

We've been over paying for years - I remember Camporeale and Beaumont were on an absurd amount of money, why haven't we learned anything in 10 years, what is the common denominator.

Stand by your man. :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:54 am 
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I'm curious to know what would happen if we gave up the draft entirely.

Just ditch it.

Go the trade!

Every year put every pick and every player up on the block and see what you get.

I know we have to use three picks each year but they could be three journeymen we take with 78,79 and 80 and give one year contracts until we reload the next year.

It sounds ridiculous but if we acknowledge that we're not that good at picking from the draft and not that good at development then maybe accepting that and using the other clubs to filter the draft list (as well as putting a couple of years into development) and then taking the Docherty types who pop up we might be able to build something interesting.

What would we have got this year if we'd put pick 13 on the table?

Or 13 and 32?

What would we have got for pick 6 instead of Yarran? For 12 instead of Lucas? For 1 instead of Gibbs or Kreuzer or Murphy?

What if our default position was to always seek to trade and only use the picks that were left at the end.

There'd need to be rules/strategy along the lines of trading for no-one over 23 etc but it seems to me that whilst this is a half-arsed idea it would be remiss of the club not to game this as a theory.

The beauty of it is you know pretty much what you're getting every time so the margin for error is lessened enormously. Obviously you're a whole lot less likely to pick up an absolute gem for little cost which can happen in the draft.

I'd be curious to see what you might get if you went back over the last ten years of trade history and outbid all the clubs who made trades for what were generally well regarded players and stack those trades up against what we ended up doing with those picks.

Maybe you'd be called Sydney and you'd have won a couple of flags.

Maybe you'd have won more.

One of the most obvious problems in business (and sport) is the idea that you have to do what the successful people are doing in order to be successful. Unfortunately that success was often predicated on doing what they were doing before others were doing it.

If we wanted to subvert the dominant paradigm then I think I'd back a club willing to back themselves down a route such as this.


You are a loony who just wanted to use the word paradigm. :wink: Why is it that when most fans finally realise we are crap it comes with heavy dose of fatalism?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:14 am 
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McKay on trade radio - 3 or 4 players in National Draft

4 worthy talls in draft besides Boyd

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:36 am 
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Synners understand your position but don't think I could ever not be passionate about the team on the field even if they are atrocious
Went to Sydney for the final almost expecting to lose but took a few dardews up there anyone
Maybe the games is not regulated so well and there are more theatre goers than ever but still reckon its a great game and for the footy nut there is more information available now than ever outside the ground
Understand your present frustration with Carlton executive and board team -they are part of the reason for us plateauing as a club or even stagnating
We need a Penn Fahour Sayers to take over and shape the place from top to bottom


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:37 am 
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Effes wrote:
McKay on trade radio - 3 or 4 players in National Draft

4 worthy talls in draft besides Boyd



Yes let's draft 3 of them with our first 3 picks.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:43 am 
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kezza wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Currently have 34 primary list and 3 rookie players.

Likely Curnow and Bell will be drafted onto the primary list so maybe 2 or 3 more primary delistings to come if we get Everitt and want to draft 4 kids.

I have worked out that we have 32 on the primary list, assuming that Duigan has been delisted.
3 rookies.

Curnow will get elevated, as will Bell most likely.

This brings it up to 34 and one rookie.

Yep I hadn't scratched Betts so we have 32 without Duigan.

So looks like 4 picks or 3 picks and Everitt


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:55 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
You know what synbad, you can sit there and can all and sundry but the solution isn't as simple as you make out.

For instance sticks was a reluctant president who is well below par but no one wants the job.
Farhour wouldn't take it once he realized it was 20 hours a week so unless someone of stature stands what choice do you have.
Pratts would happily go but they were invited and they contribute. Please show me the replacements
Many of the others are seat fillers
The coach is good. He may not be the best but huge step forward. Your blanket statement is unbalanced
The recruiting was ok last year with limited picks.
This was our best trade period. They are quality ball carriers which we need
I predict we could finish lower in 2014 but at least the intention to balance the list is there.
The person I would be targetting to replace swan or Mackay is Stephen Silvagni. I would give him the run of the place. His the one carlton person that can rebuild us but sticks would need to go. Point is contribute solutions and balance opinion, not just dark, black wrist slashing negative views


Please stop trotting out that line.
IT IS A FURPHY.
To suggest that a population of 23 million in Australia, there is not one other person that can perform the President role, let alone peform the role better than Kernahan is plain just wrong......


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:18 pm 
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Get Furphy!


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:31 pm 
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Andy Maher reckons a deal won't be done for Everitt as the blues wanna swap a player, swans want picks


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There's still time to get Pav !


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:03 pm 
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So in the end a couple of good runners in, another meh third tall in. Betts out, Hampson out.

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We traded in 3 former round 1 picks


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:10 pm 
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I hear Frank Spencer music.

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