Shit i didnt realize we were that shit.

if footy club ledger has good clubs and shit clubs
what side does carlton sit in???
what side did we used to be on ???

juddy is diplomatic he calls us "mediocre"

McKay on Trade Radio -

'Docherty always keen to come to Carlton'

'Expect him in top 22 , half back/wing'

'Interest in Everett, talked to him, he's still deciding us or GWS'

'Everett to play 3rd tall'

'Scotland definitely going around next year'

'Nothing else to come re trades apart from Everett'

been going around the same length of time as me

unhappily i dont go too often anymore

i just cant get into it live

the week to week matches are of secondary importance to me thesedays

im much more interested in the human behaviour of the club and its people... players.. administrators.. staff and supporters

its weird but i have become a very keen student on what a club is... what it means... culture.. make up... history.. how it can lose its way and how it believes it will get back... the egos... the philosophies ...the motives....

im @#$%&! fascinated with that shit these days!!!

The footy???... i watch... i dont expect much....i know what needs to be done (KILL THE flowers STKILDA!!!"...) but i also know the response... ( weak soft cock response)

i know what i would be doing......

i think too many supporters have become like the old stkilda supporters....

no team greatness... so support brownow medals.. or individuals....

if you cant win a flag... you have to cling on stuff like support judds 3rd party deal... or a brownlow..

teams never were great when individuals were of greater importance than clubs

im fascinated with how people blindly follow blokes like sticks and ratts....or judd

or over at Essendon** #standbyhird

or at stkilda #standbymilne

how people can part with $1000 to be a member only to lose week in week out...

im interersted in how the club feels it can sucker more money out of us without respecting us

how a bunch of oligarchs can hijack a club with their carlton legend captain of the century and turn it into their own toy thing

im interested in how on the surface were told all is great but we cant afford to do the basics a succesful club would do

im interested in how we can show bradshaw and a guy called rischettelli through our state of the art development and they can yawn and roll their eyes.

im intrested in how many people can stay on and on way past their used by date year in year out....

im interested in how a board that has made poor choice after poor choice thinks it will suddenly ake all the right choices...

im interested in how footy is the new don burkes back yard tv extravaganza

im interested in the new clubs... and the unbalanced fixture... the non level playing field thats meant to be level....

but most of all im interested in how the greatest club in australia can just plummet like a lead balloon all in the space of 20 years..... im also interested to see how low can we go..... before the average carlton supporter can wake up and say
"ENOUGH!!!"

footy is fascinating.... the games are a side show to me!!!

been going around the same length of time as me

Ah, you young uns, been going around 45 years here

Saw first Carlton game in 1957.

Saw first Carlton game in 1957.

I'm curious to know what would happen if we gave up the draft entirely.

Just ditch it.

Go the trade!

Every year put every pick and every player up on the block and see what you get.

I know we have to use three picks each year but they could be three journeymen we take with 78,79 and 80 and give one year contracts until we reload the next year.

It sounds ridiculous but if we acknowledge that we're not that good at picking from the draft and not that good at development then maybe accepting that and using the other clubs to filter the draft list (as well as putting a couple of years into development) and then taking the Docherty types who pop up we might be able to build something interesting.

What would we have got this year if we'd put pick 13 on the table?

Or 13 and 32?

What would we have got for pick 6 instead of Yarran? For 12 instead of Lucas? For 1 instead of Gibbs or Kreuzer or Murphy?

What if our default position was to always seek to trade and only use the picks that were left at the end.

There'd need to be rules/strategy along the lines of trading for no-one over 23 etc but it seems to me that whilst this is a half-arsed idea it would be remiss of the club not to game this as a theory.

The beauty of it is you know pretty much what you're getting every time so the margin for error is lessened enormously. Obviously you're a whole lot less likely to pick up an absolute gem for little cost which can happen in the draft.

I'd be curious to see what you might get if you went back over the last ten years of trade history and outbid all the clubs who made trades for what were generally well regarded players and stack those trades up against what we ended up doing with those picks.

Maybe you'd be called Sydney and you'd have won a couple of flags.

Maybe you'd have won more.

One of the most obvious problems in business (and sport) is the idea that you have to do what the successful people are doing in order to be successful. Unfortunately that success was often predicated on doing what they were doing before others were doing it.

If we wanted to subvert the dominant paradigm then I think I'd back a club willing to back themselves down a route such as this.

the opportuity was not lost in 2013
it was lost 6 years ago.... its the butterfly affect .. who knows when it will stop the flow on....

shit president
shit coach
shit board
shit ceo
shit recruiters
shit footy dept
shit media guy
shit membership dept

was never thought out well.... never planned for thoroughly...

what we see now is the shit that has clogged up the dunny

most of it still exists

This seems overly dramatic.
I think the list changes have been pretty good. we're already much better balanced, and cleared a lot of dead wood. Of course we need to draft well, but that's a given.


The lack of assistant coaches certainly is a worry, however.

If you went to the games, Synbad, you'd have less time to dominate TC.

You should try and see more games.

It can be fun. If you don't go you lose sight of why we are a club and who sits in the terraces. It just becomes a thing of theory. Trust me. I am suffering the same malaise through geographical limitations but am resisting the urge to become a keyboard critic and trying to maintain contact as best I can.

Footy is about the weekly game and the people around you and the pies and spilt drinks and traffic and the ride home on the tram/train with the song ringing out (or not). I miss it a lot. especially the pies. I'd kill for a decent pie and sauce...