Currently have 34 primary list and 3 rookie players.

Likely Curnow and Bell will be drafted onto the primary list so maybe 2 or 3 more primary delistings to come if we get Everitt and want to draft 4 kids.

For Carlton "to do more" during this trade period we would have needed to pull the trigger on our best/big name players. Trading Yarran, Kruezer, Gibbs etc. eg Bruce plus a 2nd rounder for Yarran. I get the impression that other clubs don't rate our players. It is far harder to trade your best players when you are a middle side because you need to accept bottoming out.
So all in all we haven't done that badly and I don't think it is realistic to fill all our holes in one trade period. I am not sure we have the guts to risk a big trade like Walker for Adams and Bruce (example only), it is only when there is a willingness to take on high risk trades that you can make huge list improvements.

I also wouldn't get to sucked in by the pro Collingwood media regarding there current trade period effectively. Collingwood have done well but they haven't exactly received something for nothing. Shaw and Thomas are proven big game players with 100-120 games of football left in their career.

Thomas effectively for pick 6 - longterm win but could combust if.
Shaw for Adams (good deal)
White for 31 & 49 (not cheap)

Hampson is half the player that White is and we got pick 28/32 for him

We really were hoping for trades to Lucas/Bootsma and Casboult... noone wanted a bar of any of them...

WC maybe with pick in the fities for Bootsma.. nothing else.

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Oh and have i mentioned our beautifully managed salary cap situation?

I didnt???

Ok we had no room in the salary cap and no currency.... Good to make some progress.Managed 2 run and spread players

Weve lost a good 6 to 8 half back flankers... no trades for them......

and we need to get rid of a good 4 or 5 slow mids next year.....

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yep. quality list we have at Carlton...

We can do a version of the Wizard of Oz with parts our list
"Im looking for a heart"
"im looking for courage"
Im looking for a brain/ decision making abilities"
"im looking for marking abilities"
"im looking to learn how to kick"
"Im looking to run both ways"
"i want to tackle"
"i want to gain weight and be muscly"

"were off to see the wizard .. the wonderful wizard of oz....."

when they get there and pull back that curtain ...there is no wizard... there is just this bogan singing pissed

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all this trade talk and angst and stupidity and free agency whinging etc etc reminds me of this

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

McKay said Everitt will play as a third tall if he decides to continue his career with us.

So Waite would be número uno (if he can stay on the park)

Everitt to play as the third tall

So is the second tall target 2nd tall option a resting Kruze/Warmock combo or one of Casboult or Rowe?

Reality of the situation is:

- Players will only get to Carlton if they want to come (Thomas & Docherty). Not because we're able to successfully extol the virtues of our football club.

- The delistings and lack of interest in our 2013 list is disgraceful. Recruitment and coaches are to blame. Quite clearly the coaches to blame have for the most part already left. The recruiters responsible are still there. Why?

- I like the two additions a lot. But it wasn't through the efforts of our list management team. This should have, in part, opened a lot more supporters eyes as to the gravity of the situation many of us have been on about. Meanwhile, the refusals from potential assistant coaches keep coming.

We have a lot of ground to make up. It won't happen with the people we have pulling the strings now.

Only about 12 hours now until the "Pavlich to Carlton!" rumours begin in earnest for another season...

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Agree on all points. Feel as though we have wasted another opportunity.

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the opportuity was not lost in 2013
it was lost 6 years ago.... its the butterfly affect .. who knows when it will stop the flow on....

shit president
shit coach
shit board
shit ceo
shit recruiters
shit footy dept
shit media guy
shit membership dept

was never thought out well.... never planned for thoroughly...

what we see now is the shit that has clogged up the dunny

most of it still exists

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This seems overly dramatic.
I think the list changes have been pretty good. we're already much better balanced, and cleared a lot of dead wood. Of course we need to draft well, but that's a given.


The lack of assistant coaches certainly is a worry, however.

I reckon there will be one out of the box. Bombers with pick 22 and Ryder for a GWS gun or an experienced midfielder like montagna. Bomber Thompson is premiership winning captain of the club and desperately wants to be a premiership winning coach of the bombers

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It all starts from the top. Key decision makers and strong leadership go together and we don't have it.
Mark my words, we are masking all our problems at the moment, and a new direction and rebuild of the football club on and off field is required.
Whilst we are making some progress in some areas, its sporadic with no link to a broader vision.

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

I'm curious to know what would happen if we gave up the draft entirely.

Just ditch it.

Go the trade!

Every year put every pick and every player up on the block and see what you get.

I know we have to use three picks each year but they could be three journeymen we take with 78,79 and 80 and give one year contracts until we reload the next year.

It sounds ridiculous but if we acknowledge that we're not that good at picking from the draft and not that good at development then maybe accepting that and using the other clubs to filter the draft list (as well as putting a couple of years into development) and then taking the Docherty types who pop up we might be able to build something interesting.

What would we have got this year if we'd put pick 13 on the table?

Or 13 and 32?

What would we have got for pick 6 instead of Yarran? For 12 instead of Lucas? For 1 instead of Gibbs or Kreuzer or Murphy?

What if our default position was to always seek to trade and only use the picks that were left at the end.

There'd need to be rules/strategy along the lines of trading for no-one over 23 etc but it seems to me that whilst this is a half-arsed idea it would be remiss of the club not to game this as a theory.

The beauty of it is you know pretty much what you're getting every time so the margin for error is lessened enormously. Obviously you're a whole lot less likely to pick up an absolute gem for little cost which can happen in the draft.

I'd be curious to see what you might get if you went back over the last ten years of trade history and outbid all the clubs who made trades for what were generally well regarded players and stack those trades up against what we ended up doing with those picks.

Maybe you'd be called Sydney and you'd have won a couple of flags.

Maybe you'd have won more.

One of the most obvious problems in business (and sport) is the idea that you have to do what the successful people are doing in order to be successful. Unfortunately that success was often predicated on doing what they were doing before others were doing it.

If we wanted to subvert the dominant paradigm then I think I'd back a club willing to back themselves down a route such as this.

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Shit i didnt realize we were that shit.

I have worked out that we have 32 on the primary list, assuming that Duigan has been delisted.
3 rookies.

Curnow will get elevated, as will Bell most likely.

This brings it up to 34 and one rookie.