I've only seen two flags in my lifetime. The first when I was 6. The second when I was 14. I turn 34 on Friday.

Many of you blokes are lucky to have seen much success in your heyday. I'm not convinced I'll see us contend for (much less win) a flag before I'm 40.

yes we know mistakes have been made (just like every other club) but we were still playing good footy and finals

with all the changes for the better micky has made can you address why we have become a laughing stock over the last 3 years when our million dollar coach and his merry men have been brought into our club
apart from the aligning stars and the players so clearly love him reasoning

a/ our potent forwards, the ones still at this club
b/ mickys impressive dossier of youth development
c/ the flower and the competitive beast this one always makes me laugh
d/ the defensive and impressive game plan
e/ our crafty team selections
f/ mickys match day coaching
g/ ellard our new CHF
h/ the 5 tagger system
I/ our ground breaking fitness (not last year because of our unprecedented off season surgery list)

Carlton in contention for a flag in the next six years seems hopelessly optimistic.

Things can change quickly, as seen at other clubs when they've ditched their deadwood coaching staff and had new life breathed into them. Right now we're stale, not going anywhere and in desperate need of some proper direction during game day.

Things can change quickly, as seen at other clubs when they've ditched their deadwood coaching staff and had new life breathed into them. Right now we're stale, not going anywhere and in desperate need of some proper direction during game day.

Who decided to trade pick 11 for Brock Mclean? Was it MM?
Who told Jacobs he was 4th in line for the ruck position? Was it MM?
Who traded pick 24 and 56 for Warnock? Was it MM?
Who decided they couldn't fit Simon Black into their midfield despite his desire to come and play with CJ5? Was it MM?
Who drafted Lucas, Davies, Watson, McCarthy, Bootsma, McInnes etc etc? was it MM?

I've only seen two flags in my lifetime. The first when I was 6. The second when I was 14. I turn 34 on Friday.

Many of you blokes are lucky to have seen much success in your heyday. I'm not convinced I'll see us contend for (much less win) a flag before I'm 40.

So you don't see a future with CRIPPS, BB, KJ, Docherty, Menzel, Sheehan, Byrne, Buckley........???? It's not a complete squad, but it's a start.

What we are seeing now is a team exhausted because of the previous administrations failings. Trading away first round picks for top-ups is sure fire way to failure. Especially when those top-ups are spuds.

Its been embarrassing since the late 90s actually.
- Essendon** and Collingwood get massive deals to move home games away from their traditional homes, and take them, while we reject a similar deal and build a crappy, unpopular new grandstand, crippling ourselves in debt in the process.
- Elliott does his paper bag payments. We get busted, and overly punished the the point on near non existence.
- Elliott signs a washed up Denis Pagan on massive $$$ in a panic move to hold onto power prior to board Elections.
- Pagan comes in with a hammer and quickly gets players off side.
- We bring in recruiters from the Dockers (Hughes and Rogers) even though the cautionary example of a to that point crappy, underachieving Freo was there for all to see. We would stick with these guys for 10 years lol.
- We waste a whole 2004 draft bringing in duds from other Clubs. Only 1 of the players will remain at the club for more then 2 years.
- Chambers, Longmuir, McLaren, Saddington, Ackland
- We sign up Pagan to two more years purely on the back of a pre season comp win alone.
- Our draft/trading success rate between 2000-2012 (last two years are still too early to call) is at about 30% success rate.
- Continued bad decisions and infighting at Board level mean we cant get ourselves out of mess as a Club, but instead of developing a solid plan, staying united and fighting our way out of the mess ala Hawthorn, we run to Pratt and beg him for money, in the process indebting ourselves to him and the other rich benefactors who tossed us money to keep us afloat in those days.
- We sack Pagan, but don't go through a proper process to appoint the next coach. Instead, we appoint an obviously inexperienced Ratten because he's a Carlton person and mates with Sticks and Pratt, nd hope he 'learns on the job'.
- Selling the farm for Judd
- Not being hard enough on Fev
- Two picks for Warnock (which we wasted)
- A pick in the 30s for Sauce (which we wasted)
- Pick 11 for Brock
- Pick 12 of Lucas instead of Daniel Talia
- Bad injury management of Kreuzer
- First picks on Watson and Bootsma
- Pathetic list management (giving contract extensions to Davies, Joseph, Warnock and others, clogging up our Salary Cap with junk in the process).
- Chasing Malthouse while Ratten was still coach. Not going through a proper process (again) once Ratten was let go
- MM freezing out Laidler, who goes on to be snapped up by Sydney.
- Brining in Daisy when we were screaming for a key forward
- Persisting with a key forward / ruck who after 6 years in the AFL system, still cant kick.
- The Board getting bigger and bigger with hangers on, and only shrinking when ther was mass media backlash. When was the last time members voted on a board member ?

Its not just the coach that's wrong with this place. Its the rusted on arrogance of 'old Carlton'.

If MM was to continue, it would only be in a Roos/Goodwin style 2-3 year 'grooming a younger assistant' type situation. Don't think thats going to happen.
And I think that the non improvement and continued bad results, and a lot of our own fans general feelings towards him, have really left the Club with no option but to not continue with MM.

Malthouse will coach Richmond and replace Hardwick. He will take them to the finals and that will proove, its a club and not a coaching problem.

Carlton in contention for a flag in the next six years seems hopelessly optimistic.

Malthouse will coach Richmond and replace Hardwick. He will take them to the finals and that will proove, its a club and not a coaching problem.

Oh please, oh please just make this happen.

I can just imagine the Tigers fans.

Who decided to trade pick 11 for Brock Mclean? Was it MM?

Who told Jacobs he was 4th in line for the ruck position? Was it MM? No one. Jacobs was offered excellent money and wanted to go home

Who traded pick 24 and 56 for Warnock? Was it MM? No, he traded pick 15 for Cameron Wood at the Pies. Whats your point? all coaches make poor decisions.

Who decided they couldn't fit Simon Black into their midfield despite his desire to come and play with CJ5? Was it MM?
No, Ratten didn't either. That's baseless fantasy

Who drafted Lucas, Davies, Watson, McCarthy, Bootsma, McInnes etc etc? was it MM?
The recruiting manager I'd suggest.

recent x player commented that the game has passes mick by. i assume he is in contact with some current players and they have influenced his opinion. that said the players really were dishonest fri.