http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/life-of-mick-blue-messiah-20120901-257iz.html

My collingwood mate made a good point today. When buttitant was at the pies, they were top of the fitness mantra around 2010ish. Since then fitness levels have gone up with the demand of the game, but training never changed at the pies. They get a new trainer and were surprised how unfit they were. Since then they have been smashed on the track. Even beams at lions has been surprised in the different level of training they are doing there, compared to pies.

Meanwhile we get another collingwood guru stuck in the old times. Makes sense why the blues look unfit.

Micks really good at getting his mates to the club. Any more brilliant decisions from this man.
Both must go

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/life-of-mick-blue-messiah-20120901-257iz.html

The players may have sent a message, but what's the message?

I can't see any formula to winning in todays football other than working harder than your opponents. Is some new coach going to show up and offer a better game plan that involves less work rate?

I honestly think our problems stem from our lack of forward power. We literally have the worst forward line in the comp. I'm not talking about some massive forward unit who kicks bags (would be nice though) just a balanced capable forward structure.

We have Casboult who, lets face it, is probably one of the biggest let downs of the modern era. A big bodied forward who can take a grab, but can't kick to save his life. Jones (the jury is still out imho) That leaves Henderson. Pretty simple to double up on your only forward option and shut him down.

We lost Waite, Garlett and Betts. Three very capable goal scorers sorely missed up forward.

I am pretty certain Malthouse had massive plans for Kreuzer up forward as a target with support from Casboult, Jones and Henderson. When you look at it that way, it doesn't seem like a bad set up. But no Kreuzer, Casboult can't slot them through, Jones looks a little lost and Henderson carrying the entire forward hopes on his shoulders week in week out isn't going to cut it.

And this is where our troubles stem from. The rest of the team know up forward, we have nothing. Its not that they don't believe or trust in some master game plan from Malthouse, I believe no matter who our coach is, you can only work with what you have. And in our case, what we don't have, and that's a potent forward line.
Its not that the team doesn't believe Malthouse is the man for the job, they see the obvious (they are professional footballers) and our forward set up is useless at the moment. Their lack of effort (though purely between the ears) is evident, for what's the point of moving the ball forward when their is little to no reward for effort?

If we want to blame Malthouse for the loss of Waite, Garlett and Betts, fine. That's a separate argument altogether. But as it stands right now, I don't believe there is a coach in the country who can work with what we HAVEN'T got up forward. And this is having an impact on team morale in a very significant way.

Malthouse is trying to get the boys to work harder to cover what we lack up forward. Its a complex issue he's facing, and one that requires EVERYONE to do their bit, and even then, its an uphill battle as the opposition know this and counters effectively. This, I believe, is why we have fade outs. The workload to cover our lack of forward potency puts us on the back foot from the first bounce.

Malthouse and all the boys pre-season raved about Kreuzer. I think they all could see a workable forward structure with the absence of Waite, Garlett and Betts, having Kreuzer, new recruit Jones and Henderson up forward. If, and that's a big if, Casboult improved his goal kicking, I could see how the boys were looking forward to the season.

Kreuzer goes down. Casboult hasn't improved. Jones is lost. And Henderson is a legend of a player who we're lucky to have, but lets face it, he ain't no FEVOLA!!!!!!!!

So I don't blame Malthouse for our current woes. He can only work with the cattle available and IF that cattle has some form. Right now, the entire team knows our forward set up blows chunks and its killing us.

Now maybe the cashed up board can pull a miracle and get us a forward worth his weight in gold, or its recruit, rebuild and get the cattle the coach needs to do his job.

My collingwood mate made a good point today. When buttitant was at the pies, they were top of the fitness mantra around 2010ish. Since then fitness levels have gone up with the demand of the game, but training never changed at the pies. They get a new trainer and were surprised how unfit they were. Since then they have been smashed on the track. Even beams at lions has been surprised in the different level of training they are doing there, compared to pies.

Meanwhile we get another collingwood guru stuck in the old times. Makes sense why the blues look unfit.

Micks really good at getting his mates to the club. Any more brilliant decisions from this man.
Both must go

Sadly I think we might have to put up with micky a little while longer

let’s take a minute and reflect at Mickys coaching legacy at carlton
Millions in wasted funds
Jobs (retirement slush fund) for the boys
Regressed and laughing stock of a club
Wasted /lost memberships millions in gate takings and (future strength of support ?)
Long contracted and overpriced vfl footballers
Lost draft picks (not to mention the majority of our highest leading goal kickers)

Not bad for just over two seasons

On the bright side we can now rebuild

Thanks micky and all the bestn’t

I hope the family and all its inappropriate matters you so wonderfully shared with us and incorporated into our club are the only ones that appreciate all you’re waffling all so privately in the not so distant future

Who decided to trade pick 11 for Brock Mclean? Was it MM?
Who told Jacobs he was 4th in line for the ruck position? Was it MM?
Who traded pick 24 and 56 for Warnock? Was it MM?
Who decided they couldn't fit Simon Black into their midfield despite his desire to come and play with CJ5? Was it MM?
Who drafted Lucas, Davies, Watson, McCarthy, Bootsma, McInnes etc etc? was it MM?

Who decided they couldn't fit Simon Black into their midfield despite his desire to come and play with CJ5? Was it MM?

My collingwood mate made a good point today. When buttitant was at the pies, they were top of the fitness mantra around 2010ish. Since then fitness levels have gone up with the demand of the game, but training never changed at the pies. They get a new trainer and were surprised how unfit they were. Since then they have been smashed on the track. Even beams at lions has been surprised in the different level of training they are doing there, compared to pies.

Meanwhile we get another collingwood guru stuck in the old times. Makes sense why the blues look unfit.

Micks really good at getting his mates to the club. Any more brilliant decisions from this man.
Both must go

What?

that is the most calamitous running of a football club i've ever read.

i feel queasy

What's ever more sad is, thats only the tip of the iceberg.

Its been embarrassing since the late 90s actually.
- Essendon** and Collingwood get massive deals to move home games away from their traditional homes, and take them, while we reject a similar deal and build a crappy, unpopular new grandstand, crippling ourselves in debt in the process.
- Elliott does his paper bag payments. We get busted, and overly punished the the point on near non existence.
- Elliott signs a washed up Denis Pagan on massive $$$ in a panic move to hold onto power prior to board Elections.
- Pagan comes in with a hammer and quickly gets players off side.
- We bring in recruiters from the Dockers (Hughes and Rogers) even though the cautionary example of a to that point crappy, underachieving Freo was there for all to see. We would stick with these guys for 10 years lol.
- We waste a whole 2004 draft bringing in duds from other Clubs. Only 1 of the players will remain at the club for more then 2 years.
- Chambers, Longmuir, McLaren, Saddington, Ackland
- We sign up Pagan to two more years purely on the back of a pre season comp win alone.
- Our draft/trading success rate between 2000-2012 (last two years are still too early to call) is at about 30% success rate.
- Continued bad decisions and infighting at Board level mean we cant get ourselves out of mess as a Club, but instead of developing a solid plan, staying united and fighting our way out of the mess ala Hawthorn, we run to Pratt and beg him for money, in the process indebting ourselves to him and the other rich benefactors who tossed us money to keep us afloat in those days.
- We sack Pagan, but don't go through a proper process to appoint the next coach. Instead, we appoint an obviously inexperienced Ratten because he's a Carlton person and mates with Sticks and Pratt, nd hope he 'learns on the job'.
- Selling the farm for Judd
- Not being hard enough on Fev
- Two picks for Warnock (which we wasted)
- A pick in the 30s for Sauce (which we wasted)
- Pick 11 for Brock
- Pick 12 of Lucas instead of Daniel Talia
- Bad injury management of Kreuzer
- First picks on Watson and Bootsma
- Pathetic list management (giving contract extensions to Davies, Joseph, Warnock and others, clogging up our Salary Cap with junk in the process).
- Chasing Malthouse while Ratten was still coach. Not going through a proper process (again) once Ratten was let go
- MM freezing out Laidler, who goes on to be snapped up by Sydney.
- Brining in Daisy when we were screaming for a key forward
- Persisting with a key forward / ruck who after 6 years in the AFL system, still cant kick.
- The Board getting bigger and bigger with hangers on, and only shrinking when ther was mass media backlash. When was the last time members voted on a board member ?

Its not just the coach that's wrong with this place. Its the rusted on arrogance of 'old Carlton'.

If MM was to continue, it would only be in a Roos/Goodwin style 2-3 year 'grooming a younger assistant' type situation. Don't think thats going to happen.
And I think that the non improvement and continued bad results, and a lot of our own fans general feelings towards him, have really left the Club with no option but to not continue with MM.

Who decided to trade pick 11 for Brock Mclean? Was it MM?
Who told Jacobs he was 4th in line for the ruck position? Was it MM?
Who traded pick 24 and 56 for Warnock? Was it MM?
Who decided they couldn't fit Simon Black into their midfield despite his desire to come and play with CJ5? Was it MM?
Who drafted Lucas, Davies, Watson, McCarthy, Bootsma, McInnes etc etc? was it MM?

Very sad and depressing reading. How the mighty have fallen.