Wayne Hughes should resign out of shame. How pathetic that he's still at the club! What does he do? Weak club.

Last year it was the coach's fault, this year it's the list and players. Interesting.
Ratten must be sleeping better than those that sacked him.

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It's the process.

It’s the criteria of the developmental process that changed from last year to this year and its critics.

There are those who thought Ratten wasn't up to it AND who thought getting MM was the wrong move AND who think their are serious problems with recruiting/list management as well as the administration.

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I'm starting to agree with Synbad

Spend big on recruiting and development.

Catch up to the big clubs.


The list will take care of itself once we get that right.

Haven't read any of the last 5 pages but saw this post and have to agree...get him out of this club along with the bloke who hired him and the other losers he got from Fremantle when they were losers.

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Love it!

Icke wasn't it? Obviously gone now, McKay has since made the required changes.

Didn't want him because I thought he was a cantankerous old fool who's time had passed and who had failed his last big challenge the 2011 GF (who can forget the dumbfounded looks in the box). Thought he was better than Sheedy, that's about it.

Came to us and I was still dubious. Decided to sell books instead of assessing the list, didn't bring in any assistants who could help and seemed a bit lost.

I started backing him after the (first) Pies game as I saw some real endeavour from the players, but I was still puzzled by him making the same errors as Ratts had made i.e Marcus Davies, Aaron Joseph and playing three ruckman. But those three losses (Bombers, Hawks, Syd)had me believing maybe he did know something.

After he has now branded the playing list as sub-standard (how this was going to make us win a game is unclear) , I'm back to thinking he's a cantankerous old fool who's time had passed.

Our only hope now is some super star assistants and recruiting miracles because MM needs someone to cover his saggy buns.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

I'd bring in Tom Hartley

MM loves a yes man, and Big Tom is the best in the biz.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

BV is frustrated like the rest of us.
What none of us know is whether the team peaked in 2011 or not.
What we do know is that many other teams have developed better lists and teams.
We've stalled...we've done nothing to improve since that 2011 peak...Menzel doesn't count in this mess.

This is not about MM imo...maybe partly as far as our ladder position is concerned, but the big problem lies in the past which got us where we are: Sticks Ratten Hughes. They put us in this place and ...the buck stops with Sticks...like Elliot you gotta go when you @#$%&! up.

The Richardson story is an intereting one, but I dont think we can give credit to Richardson for the development of the kids with the less than 30 games who played for the Pies last night. In fact I'm scratching my head wondering what Richardson developed whilst at Carlton because I can't see it. In fact I can't see what Richo achieved at Esendon either. Can anyone help. Maybe BV knows.

IMO, and its easy to say this retrospctively, the wheels were rusting off following our peak in 2011....injuries or no injuries we have a list full of softcox, with a lack of drive and fear of failure. Wrong characters for hard nosed week in weeek out footy.

We lack midfield depth in class (IMO 3 short) and lack classy KPF's (2 short) with Waite so unreliable. MM didn't put that list together, so lets put the blow torch on those that did, then we can focus on MM. Lets get rid of problem A (the visionary and head of this club that selects the recruiters and off field personnel: Sticks), then problem B (the recruiters), followed by problem C (the list cloggers who aint taking us anywhere), then the head coach who puts together his coaching team...because that coaching team of Barker, Brown and Capuano (I know Ratten legacy), but if MM wants them he's just as bad as Ratten.

If MM wants to give away players and draft picks (other than 2nd rounders) for Daisy and Harry well he can go too....Lets build a list for the future...like we should have in the first place...but get recruiters on board who know what they're doing.

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Those bagging Malthouse are clueless.

Mick knows exactly what it takes to win a premiership. The kind of players you need to win a premiership. The right culture you need....... THEY ARE NOT THAT EASY TO WIN

He has come from one of the best resourced clubs in history, what ever he wanted he got and thats why he had COllingwood play in 4 grand finals, 8 preliminary 6 in a row.

Those who thought Mick was going to walk in and steer the current group to a flag this year are delirious.

Season 2013 for Mick is working out if he has the ingredients to take this club to a flag...... He worked out pretty early in the piece he doesn't.

Mick is smart man. He will rebuild this list. Rebuild the culture. He will demand success and demand the resources that a club like ours should have. And I HAVE NO DOUBT THE CLUB WILL BE BETTER FOR IT

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I would live to see how we would be going if Malthouse had the injury list that Ratts had last year
Face facts Malthouse was brought in because they thought Ratten did have what it takes to take this list to the next level as it turns out we have gone backwards

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What has Richardson done for Carlton, or Essendon*, or Collingwood BV?
Do you know? Is there any proof? Was it Richardson who got us into the finals or Ratten or the Juddernaught? Rhetorical questions...TC is full of it.

How dcan you give Richardson all the credit for Port this year?
He hasn't had time to develop senior footballers. Hinkley is the driver...ask the players.
You're guessing like the rest of us....it is time for you to give us proof.
There is none..other than the only facts about our win loss...which dont tell us anything about the current problem nor the masked problems of the past.

There's more to our dire situation than win loss...there's planning forward to 2013, 2014, 2015....like we should have been doing in 2009, 2010, 2011...something is wrong beyond the coach...it lies in the past wtih those who created our situation in the present. Everyome accepts something wrong happened in the past except for you. You're too focussed on MM and the wickedness of his ways.

We lack depth.
We lack class.
We have a lot of duds on the list. Maybe they couldn't be developed...doesn't matter now... they're duds not necessarily because Richardson couldnt develop them, but he didn't.

We have 4-5 class players who will retire in the next 2 years....what then?
We need to plan for the future and fix up the past...lets not keep repeating our mistakes.

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Mick wont play kids like Graham, Buckley and Menzel if he thinks physically they are not up to it yet.

He wants to educate them, develop them and get these kids ready rather than throw them into the deep end early and it is the right move.

I'm sure towards the end of the year we will se Menzel, Bell, Buckley, Temay and Graham play a few games together and they will play a bigger part next year.

Juddy begins to slow down and our midfield is exposed for what it is... ordinary

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I always thought it was both.

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Sydney...I don't know about that being FACT. It was definetely to do with improving the image of the club and the image of the coach who stands before the cameras and delivers the club message....Ratten was embararssing. Great tactician perhaps but not head coach material...and I still love him.

You along with many others have to understand that Ratten had lost part of the playing group. They were not responding, and don't PM me about this, but many players felt Ratten talked "doen" to them, and here are many thinking Ratten was to much of a mate with the playing group.

His time was up. So we move him on and we move forward. That alone was the correct decsision. His charm with the players had worn off after 5 unsuccessful years with all those high draft picks. He and the recruiters had done what they had done, and we can all see where we are at with the list today. Decisions in the past create the present in a BIG way.

We get MM. He was close to best available....for all we know....Brad Scott type perhaps were better, Chris Scott too...that's debatable....I always wanted Hinkley...always...and I was just guessing too, but he was admired by Blight and Thomson they had a lot of good about his people management, chatacter and football brain. I admire those qualities.

Hinkley went to Port we got MM. I think we did OK with the choice. The problems of the past though wont go away in an instance...we need better recruiters of players and better visionary and recruiter of off field staff.

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