fair amount of humble pie to be eaten throughout this thread soon

get a load of yourselves !!

seriously

_________________
*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

rules have been changed, players can nominate for national draft if out of contract and put price on head.

Of course it's an issue. What if you get the chance to pick up another uncontracted 'gun' who may want to come on board this year or next. If you put all your eggs in one basket you have no room to move under the cap and the opportunities may be lost.

Fev won't starve on what he is being offered.


Regards Cazzesman

_________________
Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

In that case you would pay everyone base wages! Fev commands a certain wage and term and he should get it! This isn't necessarily determined by the club but is a product of market forces. Not paying him what he is worth results in Fev being the out of contract player another club secures

_________________
C'mon Blueboys!

I'm glad your not down at the club negotiating players contracts. Market forces (i.e. supply and demand) can affect a players price tag, however it isn't a free market and there are various impediments to trade, so your view is quite simplistic.

Fev being offered 3X6-700k (depending on what reports you read) is hardly base wages and more than enough compensation for his services. If in the end we lose him to another club we will be compensated for the loss of his services.

No need to panic about having to sign him up quickly or for any price.

In the last 8 years Fev hasn't played for Brisbane, Port, Sydney, WCE or Geelong yet strangely enough they've all managed to win flags.

Yes, we should try to keep Fev, but if he wants to go to Sydney for extra cash then we should be prepared to do the deal that gets him where he wants to go.

If we can better our side and have the opportunity to get another big name to the club, then so be it.

_________________
end of message

Imagine how far over the cap Geelong would be if they paid market value for all their stars.

It all gets back to how team oriented a player is.

What a wank.

He has done the hard yards, both personally and from a team perspective, the team is in good shape, Judd is now captain, and he can play at the G in front of big crowds and get the attention he enjoys and thrives on.

He is being offered good coin - now sign it, and let the club move on and complete the rest of the team.

_________________
Supporting the Blues No Matter What

This is all part of the fun & games of negotiation. Fevola would be silly to leave Carlton now that they are on the cusp of some success. Not even his stupid enough to leave on the dawn of a new exciting era. I expect he will sign up soon.

Therefore, you’re implying that the club can simply nominate terms and the player should therefore accept what’s given? The reality is that most players do re-sign for less then they could receive on an open market and more than likely Fev will do the same, but no-one should criticise him for not looking after his interests and for not meekly accepting what’s given. And it won’t take long for increased free agency to occur and impediments to player movement to be reduced allowing players to reach the club of their choice. It would’ve been interesting to see what would’ve happened if Judd didn’t reach the Blues like he wanted. And if another clubs price tag is significantly higher and the club stubbornly digs its heels in then it is asking for trouble. The incumbent club needs to be mindful of market forces and a players market worth

_________________
C'mon Blueboys!

Remember, it's a team game

_________________
Last edited by true_blue3 on Mon Sep 26, 1981 5:07 pm; edited 92 times in total

let me ask a question here

if your work contract is coming to the end and your employer says look we love having you here we think you are one of our best workers but unfortunately here is the offer... the offer being less then what your previous contract stated

would you guys accept a lower pay cut then what you are actually worth...

so why do we expect fev to take less then he is worth and why shouldnt he get what he thinks he is entitled to

[quote="true_blue3"]Remember, it's a team game

It's a fair article. Football history is littered with high maintenance superstar individuals who eventually left the game without a flag. The question is did the likes of G.Ablett, T.Lockett etc. get their teams closer or further away from a flag?
What comprimises have to be made to keep these guys happy? And what impact do those comprimises have on team success? Ultimately they are questions which are relevant to Fevola because comprimises have already been made, and dare I say it will be made again in the future.
The club is keen to sign him so they have already decided that Fevola will contribute more to team success rather than hinder it. I must say that I am not totally convinced.

there's no reason to stay loyal to your work contract, sport is completely different. especially in fev's case, where if it wasn't for his employer he'd have a shitty job and a lousy life when compared to whathe's got now.

_________________
Last edited by true_blue3 on Mon Sep 26, 1981 5:07 pm; edited 92 times in total

ozdevil let me ask you this,
if you as the employee have stepped out of line countless times and yet management keep helping you through tough the tough situations and publicly backing you when really no one should, dont you think its about time that you as the employee give a little back to the work place you really shouldn't be at right now?
Lets be honest here. Wether you like Fev or not (and i really do) When you stuff up as much as he has surely you cant be so selfish as to think of just yourself. He needs to grow up and start thinking about the team.
If Fevola was any sort of 'good carltonian' and blead navy blue, he would have come out from the start and said
i am gettng older, but i still think i can offer this club alot, they have stuck with me through thick and THIN and its time i repay the club. We have a young talented group going in the right direction and i want to be here to witness the rise! So i'm not going to take as much money as perhaps other clubs would give me because now its time for me to repay the Carlton Football Club....

Now imagine what kind of image this portrays for Carlton? Quite a bit better than the i want this and i wont sign that with this crap etc!

_________________
Loooook OUT!

Bentick backs Fev to stay Blue

_________________
Last edited by true_blue3 on Mon Sep 26, 1981 5:07 pm; edited 92 times in total

Thus far there has been no indication that Fev has been asked to take a pay cut or is being offered less than his previous contract. In terms of market worth, if he doesnt feel that what that club is offering is fair and reasonable then I'd welcome him to request a trade to another club.

I know plenty of people who work for less than they could get elsewhere, or have taken pay cuts, because there are other factors about the job/enviroment/people which deem it preferable to do so.

If Fev (and others) were really smart, he would take a little less than he might otherwise command (as many Geelong players have done, and Brisbane players did) to allow a stronger Carlton team and a great chance of being a Premiership player. Imagine a Carlton Premiership. Fev would have to be short odds to win a Norm Smith Medal, and go down in folklore. Deciding to take a little less to help get another top-line player to the Club, or to retain Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer etc when they start commanding big dollars, could help facilitate that.

I could be wrong here, but it could be that this whole Sydney thing actually speeds up the process, Fevola and/or his management might decide it's getting messy, and 'Pressy', and to just sort it out pronto.

_________________
Mens sana in corpore sano.

Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

there is no reason for you to stay loyal to your workplace but for someone like fev has to stay loyal

sorry but unfortunately playing at afl level is still classed as employment these days as players get paid to play the game





I agree fev has to stop his antics etc i will not dispute that at all

I think Fev is doing his best to avoid situations like he has previously done.. he is always going to have a badside regardless of any behavioural change with in him

Also fev has said he wants to stay blue and wants to continue at carlton...

will you take a pay cut in your job to allow youth a job so the company moves into the future...

this is what ya expecting fev to do



I have no objection to that and i think fev has to explore his options before resigning with us at carlton he would be a fool if he didnt...




I just think that player that is as good as fev or judd etc should be paid what they are fairly worth

we all want to be paid fairly in this world to what we are worth... if you look at the outside antics we all do outside our workplace then maybe we all should be taking paycuts or having behavourial cluases in our workplace