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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:11 pm 
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Lots of good points by most the last few weeks. I reckon we'll know when we get most of our best on the park together and they've had another year with Russell. If we're 0-3 next year, Bolts will suffer Wallsy's fate and rightly so :thumbsup:

A win is the tonic we all need for now though.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:30 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Sidefx wrote:

Firstly, great post. I'll answer in dot points to make it easier.

1. I assume you mean 69 games (3 seasons + 3 rounds) and there are more than a few on here calling for Bolts head this season with some even saying they used to believe but now they don't all after 3 rounds of games we would not have been penciled in to win anyway.
2. I hate to break it to you but the rebuild we have done probably makes us less than an expansion team because we have had to do a few things different:
a. We couldn't just get rid of the whole list in one draft because we just didn't have the picks for quality young talent.
b. We had to add discarded players from other clubs to temporarily patch experience holes of the delisted less talented players we had in the hope these discards would support the kids. Some worked some didn't and most have now moved on.
c. We did not have the luxury of the expansion clubs to bring top A grade talent to top up our list i.e. Ablett, Shaw, etc.
d. We did not have extra salary cap space either to do the above.
e. Finally we had to do it over 3 years gambling on fringe and discarded players to help us through the rebuild of the list.
3. Yes we now do have a lot of talent but it is all young and inexperienced. Time will fix this.
4. I can only assume you mean the injuries in the 2017-2018 offseason. It will just mean a 1 year delay in team development hopefully.
5. We had to delist those players, they were not up to AFL standard and unfortunately the upgrades were not either. But when you're on the bottom you have to take risks on these fringe/discarded players. Our list before Bolts and SOS was so bad and shallow it was embarrassing that it was allowed to get this way. Part of it was the Judd, Daisy contracts and a few others that pushed out quality players like Betts etc.
6. I totally agree about the new rules, we're screwed in the middle, a reason why I thought we should of grabbed Barlow as a level head in the middle to help direct the kids and at worst a good player in the VFL. But again that would be another risk.
7. Yes and no on trading our no.1 pick. It might have been a bit of a gamble that both clubs would finish closer to each other on the ladder but I think you'll find it's more that we are going to trade it for an established A-Grade midfielder. Let's hope we have one locked in already.
8. As far as our deficiencies go, yes we do have them but we still have a few key injuries that will address a few of these. But I think they just need more time playing together and more experience in the middle. I'd like to see more of Ed, Murph or even Lang when he returns in the middle to help the kids over the next few rounds.

It's not all doom and gloom yet though. If we are winless by the end of the year with little or no injuries then I'll help raise the white flag with you. :lol:


I do love your posts & optimism in them. And, i honestly hope that you're right and I'm wrong, because it means we're winning sooner rather than later/ not at all.

An A-grade mid and a prolific small forward could be all we need to round out the list ... providing Doc can still play. I'm not sure how many players have come back from double ACL's and still had an impact?


I agree on our needs and also share your concern on him ever returning. Let's hope he makes a solid return and can get some form early in the 2020 season and if not we are already sourcing a good backup player(s).


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:29 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
I'm not sure how many players have come back from double ACL's and still had an impact?


Last years AFL Coaches Association player of the year goes alright.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:47 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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I'm not sure how many players have come back from double ACL's and still had an impact?


Last years AFL Coaches Association player of the year goes alright.



Really, Gawn has had a double acl? i never knew. i'm pretty one-eyed though. and only follow carlton. :lol:


that's encouraging to hear but


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:00 am 
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If Bolton gets the chop, and assuming we have no one lined up (I.e. the AFL aren’t about to intervene and install Roos) then, given Walls has been brought back..........nah don’t worry about it. I’m just crazy


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:37 am 
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i think walls would be lowkey searching & preparing us for life after bolton if that's the way it falls.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:01 am 
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Braithy wrote:
i think walls would be lowkey searching & preparing us for life after bolton if that's the way it falls.


I saw McClure on one of the footy shows turning up the heat.

A loss on Sunday might put the lid on th coffin, but if it’s a belting it will nail it shut


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:10 am 
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Having Lobbe again is not going to help.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:37 am 
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Having Lobbe again is not going to help.


Unless he needed that run last week to find his feet.

Lobbe was good last year when Kreuzer and Philips were out injured and The King was an infant.

He's a former BnF and Captain at Port, so he knows the game.

Lets hope he surprises us with his improvement on last weeks game.

We need Lobbe to do well against Witts.
Starting point is to make sure Witts doesnt kick goals.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:25 pm 
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I hope I'm wrong but he looks like he's lost the "mongrel" required to compete. He's just seems content to be out there playing footy. He doesn't look bothered when he loses a contest.
Unless something radically changes, Witts will chop him up and our mids will be starting a couple of steps behind.

He had 2 kicks to half time and they were both soft frees. One he kicked straight to the opposition. I can handle players being outclassed but I can't tolerate players not being willing to compete.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:00 pm 
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I saw what you did at the game BV. :sly:
Edit: I saw the same issues as you BV.
Bondi I was a fan of his last year. Warching him at the game Last week though...insipid. (prove us wrong please Lobbe)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:34 pm 
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What did BV do at the game?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:37 pm 
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:lol:
Sorry
Should have been 'last summer' :razz:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:54 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
Having Lobbe again is not going to help.

He's all there is, BG. Not having him would be worse.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:30 am 
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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blu ... 51dt1.html

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:45 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blues-under-the-glare-of-suns-what-s-at-stake-for-bolton-20190413-p51dt1.html

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As the article says, Bolts will be judged on 2019 as a body of work not based on our ladder position after round 4. We all want to win (no more than me) but fortunately the people in charge of the club at the moment won’t deviate from the long term direction based on whether we win or lose to the Gold Coast.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:27 am 
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I'd be getting Harford in the coaching group.

He's shown an ability to get a positive response from players in the most difficult of circumstances.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:21 pm 
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I honestly don't know how our players can get into such a mental state to perform like today.

Just so off the mark for a highly talented group of players.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:34 pm 
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Either the players are stupid or our coach has no idea.

I think it's a bit of both, but surely even stupid players follow the coaches instructions.

Not sure what those instructions are.

Bolton seems like a nice enough guy, he would make a good assistant coach somewhere. His time is done with us.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:43 pm 
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Clubs that face their backs against the wall, respond in a certain way, Sydney did, kangas did, Melbourne did, I thought that was this week but alas, it’s now come to barrel scraping stage of Carlton’s journey.. what motivates this club to respond to the pressure in a way that doesn’t perpetuate more of the same? Is this where Walls earns his keep?


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