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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:01 pm 
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Steve_C7 wrote:
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Patience is a virtue, but it cuts both ways.

If you lose faith in the plan before it's finished and start again, how much of what has preceded is kept/lost?

If you lose faith in the plan before it's finished and start again, what are the expectations of success, how soon, how much time do you give whoever comes next?

If you lose faith in the rebuild before it's finished and start again, do you ever finish?

Conversely, if you hold fast to the plan and it doesn't work, then what? Has the time on the failed plan been wasted?

Either way, and whatever your answers to the above, we can all agree a few wins would certainly help. :lol:



i was thinking about it all of this ... and had the club defined where exactly we were to be at the end of the 5-year rebuild ... it'd have saved alotta supporter angst, imo.

after 5 years if we're meant to make the 8 and have the infrastructure and list in place to compete for the next decade (like, say Geelong) ... then i for one, would be a little more inclined to hang fat and smell what we're cooking.


... if however we were meant to be in the conversation of top 4 and beyond at year 5. Then there's no way we're going to make that, and changes need to be rung in sooner rather then later ... bcos it feels like we're the definition of insanity. repeating the same processes over and over for the same results.

gut our list at the end of each season, and then take half a season to gel and follow a somewhat unclear game plan, then rinse and repeat the following year.

we are no closer to anything right now then we were in year one. On the park results have actually declined, and are still on a downward trajectory.


1. A five year rebuild is purely around the list, year 1-4 all core players are retained or replaced FF,CHF,MID,CHB & FB all need to be of sufficient quality to fill in the gaps. (Weitering, Marchback, Doc, Jones, Cripps, Dow, SPS, Walsh, Fisher, TDK, Charlie, McGovern, Harry)

2. Year 5 start building some chemistry and minor tweaks to playing list and bedding down gameplan.

Success of rebuild is judged only by these 2 points, so question is do you believe that the core is of sufficient talent?

If yes then Bolton will be judged by end of 2020 as to whether he can execute point 2.
When did a 66 game rebuild announced before Malthouse was sacked suddenly become a 5 year rebuild plus 1 year under Malthouse

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:35 pm 
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Sydney is correct from memory, it was and has been a 3 year,3/4 draft rebuild of the list. It's now built, but last year was an unforeseeable setback with injuries and has hampered team cohesion for a season. Meaning this year (the development year), if we remain virtually injury free we should start seeing this cohesion (especially in the middle) and hopefully some results. But as I said at trade time we really needed a mature A-grade mid over the Gov to appease the vultures with more immediate results, but we just missed out. Anyway, another pre-season for the kids with AR and next year should be exciting.

FWIW: The first 3 rounds last year we lost by a total of 84 points, then round 4 against the Kangas we lost by 86. This year we have lost by a total of 68 points and much to the frustration of everyone, have been right in the game for a possible win. This sounds like development to me even though we haven't notched up a win. All with a very young midfield, Dow (23), SPS (45), Crippa (84), Walsh (3), Fisher(37) and Setters (5) for a total of 197 games. Pretty much less than 1 mid from every team in the AFL and we are still in the games. We have a tough game this weekend let's hope the team keeps building on this.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:12 pm 
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Sydney is correct from memory, it was and has been a 3 year,3/4 draft rebuild of the list. It's now built, but last year was an unforeseeable setback with injuries and has hampered team cohesion for a season. Meaning this year (the development year), if we remain virtually injury free we should start seeing this cohesion (especially in the middle) and hopefully some results. But as I said at trade time we really needed a mature A-grade mid over the Gov to appease the vultures with more immediate results, but we just missed out. Anyway, another pre-season for the kids with AR and next year should be exciting.

FWIW: The first 3 rounds last year we lost by a total of 84 points, then round 4 against the Kangas we lost by 86. This year we have lost by a total of 68 points and much to the frustration of everyone, have been right in the game for a possible win. This sounds like development to me even though we haven't notched up a win. All with a very young midfield, Dow (23), SPS (45), Crippa (84), Walsh (3), Fisher(37) and Setters (5) for a total of 197 games. Pretty much less than 1 mid from every team in the AFL and we are still in the games. We have a tough game this weekend let's hope the team keeps building on this.

Go the Blues!


Last year the only game we had a chance of winning into the last quarter was the first one against Richmond. We were dead and buried by 3 quarter time against GC and Pies last year. The pies one especially was a very flattering shoreline in the end.

North game where Murphy was injured pre game was when the wheels totally fell off.

If we lose by 14-15 goals this week I’d really be questioning bolts immediate future, but I really don’t see it happening.


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Plowman is supposed to be part of our core group. There's no sign he's a top 8 team defender.


Who has beaten him this year?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:31 am 
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Steve_C7 wrote:
Braithy wrote:
camelboy wrote:
Patience is a virtue, but it cuts both ways.

If you lose faith in the plan before it's finished and start again, how much of what has preceded is kept/lost?

If you lose faith in the plan before it's finished and start again, what are the expectations of success, how soon, how much time do you give whoever comes next?

If you lose faith in the rebuild before it's finished and start again, do you ever finish?

Conversely, if you hold fast to the plan and it doesn't work, then what? Has the time on the failed plan been wasted?

Either way, and whatever your answers to the above, we can all agree a few wins would certainly help. :lol:



i was thinking about it all of this ... and had the club defined where exactly we were to be at the end of the 5-year rebuild ... it'd have saved alotta supporter angst, imo.

after 5 years if we're meant to make the 8 and have the infrastructure and list in place to compete for the next decade (like, say Geelong) ... then i for one, would be a little more inclined to hang fat and smell what we're cooking.


... if however we were meant to be in the conversation of top 4 and beyond at year 5. Then there's no way we're going to make that, and changes need to be rung in sooner rather then later ... bcos it feels like we're the definition of insanity. repeating the same processes over and over for the same results.

gut our list at the end of each season, and then take half a season to gel and follow a somewhat unclear game plan, then rinse and repeat the following year.

we are no closer to anything right now then we were in year one. On the park results have actually declined, and are still on a downward trajectory.


1. A five year rebuild is purely around the list, year 1-4 all core players are retained or replaced FF,CHF,MID,CHB & FB all need to be of sufficient quality to fill in the gaps. (Weitering, Marchback, Doc, Jones, Cripps, Dow, SPS, Walsh, Fisher, TDK, Charlie, McGovern, Harry)

2. Year 5 start building some chemistry and minor tweaks to playing list and bedding down gameplan.

Success of rebuild is judged only by these 2 points, so question is do you believe that the core is of sufficient talent?

If yes then Bolton will be judged by end of 2020 as to whether he can execute point 2.



surely we wouldnt be waiting 5 years to bed down a game plan? this should be in the process of being bedded down now, and in the 5th year tweaking the game plan to counter the opposiition.

i was one who wanted Bolton, but i am now one who is questioning him, i have no doubt he is a great life coach and people manager, but i have no clue to what his game plan is, and after 3 years, this concerns me

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:39 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
Braithy wrote:
camelboy wrote:
Patience is a virtue, but it cuts both ways.

If you lose faith in the plan before it's finished and start again, how much of what has preceded is kept/lost?

If you lose faith in the plan before it's finished and start again, what are the expectations of success, how soon, how much time do you give whoever comes next?

If you lose faith in the rebuild before it's finished and start again, do you ever finish?

Conversely, if you hold fast to the plan and it doesn't work, then what? Has the time on the failed plan been wasted?

Either way, and whatever your answers to the above, we can all agree a few wins would certainly help. :lol:



i was thinking about it all of this ... and had the club defined where exactly we were to be at the end of the 5-year rebuild ... it'd have saved alotta supporter angst, imo.

after 5 years if we're meant to make the 8 and have the infrastructure and list in place to compete for the next decade (like, say Geelong) ... then i for one, would be a little more inclined to hang fat and smell what we're cooking.


... if however we were meant to be in the conversation of top 4 and beyond at year 5. Then there's no way we're going to make that, and changes need to be rung in sooner rather then later ... bcos it feels like we're the definition of insanity. repeating the same processes over and over for the same results.

gut our list at the end of each season, and then take half a season to gel and follow a somewhat unclear game plan, then rinse and repeat the following year.

we are no closer to anything right now then we were in year one. On the park results have actually declined, and are still on a downward trajectory.


1. A five year rebuild is purely around the list, year 1-4 all core players are retained or replaced FF,CHF,MID,CHB & FB all need to be of sufficient quality to fill in the gaps. (Weitering, Marchback, Doc, Jones, Cripps, Dow, SPS, Walsh, Fisher, TDK, Charlie, McGovern, Harry)

2. Year 5 start building some chemistry and minor tweaks to playing list and bedding down gameplan.

Success of rebuild is judged only by these 2 points, so question is do you believe that the core is of sufficient talent?

If yes then Bolton will be judged by end of 2020 as to whether he can execute point 2.
When did a 66 game rebuild announced before Malthouse was sacked suddenly become a 5 year rebuild plus 1 year under Malthouse

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Yep... this week we're 70 games into a 66 game (we will not be defined by wins and losses) rebuild...

Last year the club traded away this year's first pick (most likely) because they thought we'd be climbing the ladder, and our record membership bought in.

If we're now in a 88 or 110 game rebuild, then communicate it to the fans.

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Hornet wrote:

If we're now in a 88 or 110 game rebuild, then communicate it to the fans.



yep ... and define what the rebuild is. where will we be in 5 years time? top 4; top 8; win a final etc ..?




Sidefx wrote:

FWIW: The first 3 rounds last year we lost by a total of 84 points, then round 4 against the Kangas we lost by 86. This year we have lost by a total of 68 points and much to the frustration of everyone, have been right in the game for a possible win. This sounds like development to me even though we haven't notched up a win. All with a very young midfield, Dow (23), SPS (45), Crippa (84), Walsh (3), Fisher(37) and Setters (5) for a total of 197 games. Pretty much less than 1 mid from every team in the AFL and we are still in the games. We have a tough game this weekend let's hope the team keeps building on this.



Just think about that for a second. We are down such a dark hole as a club, that we're defining our development & improvement by measuring our losing margins.


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So why don't you measure our winning margins then Mr Smarty Pants. :lol:

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you'd have to win a game in order to go there.


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Braithy wrote:
Hornet wrote:

If we're now in a 88 or 110 game rebuild, then communicate it to the fans.



yep ... and define what the rebuild is. where will we be in 5 years time? top 4; top 8; win a final etc ..?




Sidefx wrote:

FWIW: The first 3 rounds last year we lost by a total of 84 points, then round 4 against the Kangas we lost by 86. This year we have lost by a total of 68 points and much to the frustration of everyone, have been right in the game for a possible win. This sounds like development to me even though we haven't notched up a win. All with a very young midfield, Dow (23), SPS (45), Crippa (84), Walsh (3), Fisher(37) and Setters (5) for a total of 197 games. Pretty much less than 1 mid from every team in the AFL and we are still in the games. We have a tough game this weekend let's hope the team keeps building on this.



Just think about that for a second. We are down such a dark hole as a club, that we're defining our development & improvement by measuring our losing margins.


Finally!!! A break through! Yes, you are defining the club by margins, losses etc. Rather than seeing the facts that I’ve been saying about our age, experience and cohesion. Maybe this is the light bulb moment for you that we need to wait until the end of the year to asses our development rather than calling for heads after 3 rounds. It’s not all doom and gloom unless your only focus is the win/loss column, just look at the experience of our midfield and what they can become with time. Pretty exciting!


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Sidefx wrote:

Finally!!! A break through! Yes, you are defining the club by margins, losses etc. Rather than seeing the facts that I’ve been saying about our age, experience and cohesion. Maybe this is the light bulb moment for you that we need to wait until the end of the year to asses our development rather than calling for heads after 3 rounds. It’s not all doom and gloom unless your only focus is the win/loss column, just look at the experience of our midfield and what they can become with time. Pretty exciting!


No offence, but i don't need a breakthrough moment here. I understand what the pro bolton & the people who are preaching patience here are saying. I just don't agree with it, not all of it at least.

No one is calling for anyone's head after 3 rounds. We're actually 78 rounds into the rebuild, and what? into the 4th season of bolton? it really has been a disaster, and it shows no signs of letting up. at the end of this season we'll lose a few more old heads then at that point we really will be fielding an expansion-team calibre squad.

we have all the talent in the world, yes. but there's more pieces to the puzzle for success than that alone.


my fear for the club is; i think the 2017-18 offseason was the one that we'll look back at as the one that cooked us and cooked our plans.

delisting whatever cohesion we had, for players that ultimately were worse.

then 2018-19 offseason -- the AFL changes a key rule in regards to runners this year, which suddenly puts a premium on having leaders and onfield veteran presence, of which we suddenly have a bare cupboard.


And any way you dress it; trading our number one pick for next draft, was a statement of intent: Season 2019 we'd climb outta the cellar -- never mind we traded for a guy who might not even contribute at all this year (that's another issue entirely) , but it was a statement that we''re backing who we have here right now.

And we really do have deficiencies all over the park. starting with a lack of footspeed down back -- we're too tall; through the middle we're slow and lack polish (but we will get there with the talent) and up front. well dear god. No one up forward has any craft or smarts or can apply defensive forward pressure, or it seems, lead to the ball or into space.


It's a shame for Bolton that none of that is any of his doing. he's doing his best to put lipstick on this pig. but ultimately we have a rookie coach who's never won, along with a rookie list who's never won. and what you get is 2 wins in 35 games where the fanbase is actually saying, "well at least we're losing by not as much."

like, we've become so accustomed to losing here, that in order to grasp anything positive, we're actually measuring our loss margins.

it's like a seinfeld episode.


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Braithy wrote:
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It's a shame for Bolton that none of that is any of his doing. he's doing his best to put lipstick on this pig. but ultimately we have a rookie coach who's never won, along with a rookie list who's never won. and what you get is 2 wins in 35 games where the fanbase is actually saying, "well at least we're losing by not as much."



All I'm saying is we are one game behind last year's grand finalist.

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Why you keep repeating the same stuff?

Three rounds in, we are shite. We get it.

One thing for sure, if we beat GC (they are favourites BTW), all the Chicken Littles here will say it proves nothing, GC are as shite as we are etc. etc.

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Uncle Zel wrote:
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What a pathetic bunch of @#$%&! sooks we've got posting here at the moment. :lol:
A couple of losses and the toys are coming out of the cot daily.

36 losses out of our last 39 games


5332 days since Essendon* won a final #sometimeslifeisntsobad

Number of Finals won by Essendon* with anyone other than Kevin Sheedy as coach in the last 50 years: Zero

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Braithy wrote:
Sidefx wrote:

Finally!!! A break through! Yes, you are defining the club by margins, losses etc. Rather than seeing the facts that I’ve been saying about our age, experience and cohesion. Maybe this is the light bulb moment for you that we need to wait until the end of the year to asses our development rather than calling for heads after 3 rounds. It’s not all doom and gloom unless your only focus is the win/loss column, just look at the experience of our midfield and what they can become with time. Pretty exciting!


No offence, but i don't need a breakthrough moment here. I understand what the pro bolton & the people who are preaching patience here are saying. I just don't agree with it, not all of it at least.

No one is calling for anyone's head after 3 rounds. We're actually 78 rounds into the rebuild, and what? into the 4th season of bolton? it really has been a disaster, and it shows no signs of letting up. at the end of this season we'll lose a few more old heads then at that point we really will be fielding an expansion-team calibre squad.

we have all the talent in the world, yes. but there's more pieces to the puzzle for success than that alone.


my fear for the club is; i think the 2017-18 offseason was the one that we'll look back at as the one that cooked us and cooked our plans.

delisting whatever cohesion we had, for players that ultimately were worse.

then 2018-19 offseason -- the AFL changes a key rule in regards to runners this year, which suddenly puts a premium on having leaders and onfield veteran presence, of which we suddenly have a bare cupboard.


And any way you dress it; trading our number one pick for next draft, was a statement of intent: Season 2019 we'd climb outta the cellar -- never mind we traded for a guy who might not even contribute at all this year (that's another issue entirely) , but it was a statement that we''re backing who we have here right now.

And we really do have deficiencies all over the park. starting with a lack of footspeed down back -- we're too tall; through the middle we're slow and lack polish (but we will get there with the talent) and up front. well dear god. No one up forward has any craft or smarts or can apply defensive forward pressure, or it seems, lead to the ball or into space.


It's a shame for Bolton that none of that is any of his doing. he's doing his best to put lipstick on this pig. but ultimately we have a rookie coach who's never won, along with a rookie list who's never won. and what you get is 2 wins in 35 games where the fanbase is actually saying, "well at least we're losing by not as much."

like, we've become so accustomed to losing here, that in order to grasp anything positive, we're actually measuring our loss margins.

it's like a seinfeld episode.



Year 1, 2 and 3 shouldnt be counted whilst we were skinning the list.

But now, the list looks good.

Just needs an experienced coach....like a Pagan or a Malthouse, but not them..who?

Hang on a sec, none of this is Bolton's doing...the age of the list and the injuries....whose missing other than a super coach?

No 1 ruck Kreuzer...we have lost the ruck 3 weeks in a row...can be attributed to the loss in each game.

No 1 player before he did his knee...and captain, and All Australian, nd most metres gained in the AFL in Docherty.

Best Forward in Charlie Curnow, who didnt play in the Port and Swans game

Fastest line breaker in Pickett.

Best HBF in Williamson,has been injured all last year and thus far in 2019.

Best Forward mid over the preseason in Cuningham

Best up and coming ruckman, possibly no 2 ruck in DeKonning.

I dont know the answers but I dont want to be caught up in the hysteria media and uncle Zel are whippingup re 36 losses in 39 games.

I loo at season 2019 and we are 3 rounds in and we have had honourable losses, just nedia and nervous nellies want to focus on that.

Let the season pan out. Lets see what happens in season 2019....19 games to go.

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By the way Braithy, I do enjoy your input and makes me quaetion.

I'm just trying to hold myself back and not get caught up in hyesteria,

You could be right.

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Braithy wrote:
Sidefx wrote:

Finally!!! A break through! Yes, you are defining the club by margins, losses etc. Rather than seeing the facts that I’ve been saying about our age, experience and cohesion. Maybe this is the light bulb moment for you that we need to wait until the end of the year to asses our development rather than calling for heads after 3 rounds. It’s not all doom and gloom unless your only focus is the win/loss column, just look at the experience of our midfield and what they can become with time. Pretty exciting!


No offence, but i don't need a breakthrough moment here. I understand what the pro bolton & the people who are preaching patience here are saying. I just don't agree with it, not all of it at least.

No one is calling for anyone's head after 3 rounds. We're actually 78 rounds into the rebuild, and what? into the 4th season of bolton? it really has been a disaster, and it shows no signs of letting up. at the end of this season we'll lose a few more old heads then at that point we really will be fielding an expansion-team calibre squad.

we have all the talent in the world, yes. but there's more pieces to the puzzle for success than that alone.


my fear for the club is; i think the 2017-18 offseason was the one that we'll look back at as the one that cooked us and cooked our plans.

delisting whatever cohesion we had, for players that ultimately were worse.

then 2018-19 offseason -- the AFL changes a key rule in regards to runners this year, which suddenly puts a premium on having leaders and onfield veteran presence, of which we suddenly have a bare cupboard.


And any way you dress it; trading our number one pick for next draft, was a statement of intent: Season 2019 we'd climb outta the cellar -- never mind we traded for a guy who might not even contribute at all this year (that's another issue entirely) , but it was a statement that we''re backing who we have here right now.

And we really do have deficiencies all over the park. starting with a lack of footspeed down back -- we're too tall; through the middle we're slow and lack polish (but we will get there with the talent) and up front. well dear god. No one up forward has any craft or smarts or can apply defensive forward pressure, or it seems, lead to the ball or into space.


It's a shame for Bolton that none of that is any of his doing. he's doing his best to put lipstick on this pig. but ultimately we have a rookie coach who's never won, along with a rookie list who's never won. and what you get is 2 wins in 35 games where the fanbase is actually saying, "well at least we're losing by not as much."

like, we've become so accustomed to losing here, that in order to grasp anything positive, we're actually measuring our loss margins.

it's like a seinfeld episode.


Firstly, great post. I'll answer in dot points to make it easier.

1. I assume you mean 69 games (3 seasons + 3 rounds) and there are more than a few on here calling for Bolts head this season with some even saying they used to believe but now they don't all after 3 rounds of games we would not have been penciled in to win anyway.
2. I hate to break it to you but the rebuild we have done probably makes us less than an expansion team because we have had to do a few things different:
a. We couldn't just get rid of the whole list in one draft because we just didn't have the picks for quality young talent.
b. We had to add discarded players from other clubs to temporarily patch experience holes of the delisted less talented players we had in the hope these discards would support the kids. Some worked some didn't and most have now moved on.
c. We did not have the luxury of the expansion clubs to bring top A grade talent to top up our list i.e. Ablett, Shaw, etc.
d. We did not have extra salary cap space either to do the above.
e. Finally we had to do it over 3 years gambling on fringe and discarded players to help us through the rebuild of the list.
3. Yes we now do have a lot of talent but it is all young and inexperienced. Time will fix this.
4. I can only assume you mean the injuries in the 2017-2018 offseason. It will just mean a 1 year delay in team development hopefully.
5. We had to delist those players, they were not up to AFL standard and unfortunately the upgrades were not either. But when you're on the bottom you have to take risks on these fringe/discarded players. Our list before Bolts and SOS was so bad and shallow it was embarrassing that it was allowed to get this way. Part of it was the Judd, Daisy contracts and a few others that pushed out quality players like Betts etc.
6. I totally agree about the new rules, we're screwed in the middle, a reason why I thought we should of grabbed Barlow as a level head in the middle to help direct the kids and at worst a good player in the VFL. But again that would be another risk.
7. Yes and no on trading our no.1 pick. It might have been a bit of a gamble that both clubs would finish closer to each other on the ladder but I think you'll find it's more that we are going to trade it for an established A-Grade midfielder. Let's hope we have one locked in already.
8. As far as our deficiencies go, yes we do have them but we still have a few key injuries that will address a few of these. But I think they just need more time playing together and more experience in the middle. I'd like to see more of Ed, Murph or even Lang when he returns in the middle to help the kids over the next few rounds.

It's not all doom and gloom yet though. If we are winless by the end of the year with little or no injuries then I'll help raise the white flag with you. :lol:


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Why you keep repeating the same stuff?

Three rounds in, we are shite. We get it.

One thing for sure, if we beat GC (they are favourites BTW), all the Chicken Littles here will say it proves nothing, GC are as shite as we are etc. etc.



if we win, it'd be huge. huge for the players, the club and the coaching staff. one good win could be what it takes to get the ship back on track.

conversely, if we lose by ten goals. it's another nail.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:04 pm 
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windy wrote:
Why you keep repeating the same stuff?

Three rounds in, we are shite. We get it.

One thing for sure, if we beat GC (they are favourites BTW), all the Chicken Littles here will say it proves nothing, GC are as shite as we are etc. etc.


GC are favorites because we're shitter than shit. And no, one win won't prove much because it's 1 win. Just like 1 loss would mean nothing if we were half decent.

We're the shittest side in modern history. We've set so many new shit records, there's almost no chance they'll ever be 'beaten'.

I'm going on Sunday, so it will be very interesting. One week at a time.

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Sidefx wrote:

Firstly, great post. I'll answer in dot points to make it easier.

1. I assume you mean 69 games (3 seasons + 3 rounds) and there are more than a few on here calling for Bolts head this season with some even saying they used to believe but now they don't all after 3 rounds of games we would not have been penciled in to win anyway.
2. I hate to break it to you but the rebuild we have done probably makes us less than an expansion team because we have had to do a few things different:
a. We couldn't just get rid of the whole list in one draft because we just didn't have the picks for quality young talent.
b. We had to add discarded players from other clubs to temporarily patch experience holes of the delisted less talented players we had in the hope these discards would support the kids. Some worked some didn't and most have now moved on.
c. We did not have the luxury of the expansion clubs to bring top A grade talent to top up our list i.e. Ablett, Shaw, etc.
d. We did not have extra salary cap space either to do the above.
e. Finally we had to do it over 3 years gambling on fringe and discarded players to help us through the rebuild of the list.
3. Yes we now do have a lot of talent but it is all young and inexperienced. Time will fix this.
4. I can only assume you mean the injuries in the 2017-2018 offseason. It will just mean a 1 year delay in team development hopefully.
5. We had to delist those players, they were not up to AFL standard and unfortunately the upgrades were not either. But when you're on the bottom you have to take risks on these fringe/discarded players. Our list before Bolts and SOS was so bad and shallow it was embarrassing that it was allowed to get this way. Part of it was the Judd, Daisy contracts and a few others that pushed out quality players like Betts etc.
6. I totally agree about the new rules, we're screwed in the middle, a reason why I thought we should of grabbed Barlow as a level head in the middle to help direct the kids and at worst a good player in the VFL. But again that would be another risk.
7. Yes and no on trading our no.1 pick. It might have been a bit of a gamble that both clubs would finish closer to each other on the ladder but I think you'll find it's more that we are going to trade it for an established A-Grade midfielder. Let's hope we have one locked in already.
8. As far as our deficiencies go, yes we do have them but we still have a few key injuries that will address a few of these. But I think they just need more time playing together and more experience in the middle. I'd like to see more of Ed, Murph or even Lang when he returns in the middle to help the kids over the next few rounds.

It's not all doom and gloom yet though. If we are winless by the end of the year with little or no injuries then I'll help raise the white flag with you. :lol:


I do love your posts & optimism in them. And, i honestly hope that you're right and I'm wrong, because it means we're winning sooner rather than later/ not at all.

An A-grade mid and a prolific small forward could be all we need to round out the list ... providing Doc can still play. I'm not sure how many players have come back from double ACL's and still had an impact?


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