Brendon Bolton - Carlton coach 2015-2019

99prelim · **Joined:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm **Posts:** 3561

Blue Vain wrote:

Bookie wrote:

At least Bolton makes great moves on match day.....and
I could think of one I’d mention it.

Walsh into the midfield rotation. Excellent outcome. Murphy as a small forward, excellent outcome.
How many per week would you like?

Walsh is a midfielder so hardly earth shattering

Murph small forward I agree

Garlett down back is a bust

I'd like to test Gibbons in the middle before he gets dropped

Developing JSOS as a mid in the ressies could be our ElDorado

Also, I'd like to see Daisy take Gibbons' spot in F50. He's got footy smarts and I reckon he'll find space...his kicking strength is a worry outside 35m

ferdinand · **Joined:** Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:32 pm **Posts:** 456

Lang could be another option as a small forward when he’s back. Probably needs a week or two atNorthern first but given the struggles of Gibbons and Polson he is surely worth a shot. Is Lebois actually playing at the moment, haven’t seen his name in the last couple of VFL coaches reviews - given it’s his 3rd year as a rookie probably worth a shot at some point as well, can’t do worse than what we got last week.

robertbb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:06 pm **Posts:** 9354

I'd be curious to see how Cunningham and Lang go together as medium forwards...

Rod Waddell · **Joined:** Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:49 am **Posts:** 1650

When do the kids actually become men?

Many are into their 3rd and 4th year. You’d expect them to have picked up game style, plans, processes etc.

Really hope for a win soon.... need the affirmation

Blue Sombrero · **Posted:** Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:50 am

Steve_C7 wrote:

Adam Chatfield wrote:

I think Gold Coast starting well and the very real possibility that even a side better than last year is still a very real chance to be last has added to the angst of us.

We do need to hold our nerve, and if we are last again, so be it. I’m sick of losing as we all are but I can see reasons for where we are at.

We have the bare bones of a midfield now so have been able to stay in games. We still have no good small forwards or fit ruckman.

The AFL has done everything in its power to help the Gold Coast get off to a good start playing the 13,14,16,18,12,15 in their first 6 weeks.

Knowing their draw and the AFL wanting so good press early in the season in Qld, they have worked their pre season to maximise that assistance, let's see where they finish the season before making comparisons.

Compare that with our draw having finished last playing the 1,10,6,17,13,4 where half our games are against last years finalists and you can see how much assistance GC are getting in planning for their season.

That being said, there is still many holes in the list and execution of the game plan.

Nice job, that.

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:56 am

Blue Sombrero wrote:

Steve_C7 wrote:

Adam Chatfield wrote:

I think Gold Coast starting well and the very real possibility that even a side better than last year is still a very real chance to be last has added to the angst of us.

We do need to hold our nerve, and if we are last again, so be it. I’m sick of losing as we all are but I can see reasons for where we are at.

We have the bare bones of a midfield now so have been able to stay in games. We still have no good small forwards or fit ruckman.

The AFL has done everything in its power to help the Gold Coast get off to a good start playing the 13,14,16,18,12,15 in their first 6 weeks.

Knowing their draw and the AFL wanting so good press early in the season in Qld, they have worked their pre season to maximise that assistance, let's see where they finish the season before making comparisons.

Compare that with our draw having finished last playing the 1,10,6,17,13,4 where half our games are against last years finalists and you can see how much assistance GC are getting in planning for their season.

That being said, there is still many holes in the list and execution of the game plan.

Nice job, that.

The GC draw is a payback for what happened to them last year.
They were dragged all over the place because of this Com Games

They were also in the 8 after 3 rounds 2 and 1 and we were last 0 and 3 with a 1.5% difference in percentage.

But as every one will tell you this years 0 and 3 is a vast improvement on last year's 0 and 3

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windy · **Posted:** Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:23 am

YAWN

Go follow Rugby League Sydney

Braithy · **Joined:** Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm **Posts:** 7208

when i come to this thread, i always get the feeling that some think bcos we have a glut of young (hopefully) stars in the making, that automates success. preach patience, keep the status quo with coaching, and it'll all pay off because it did at hawthorn & richmond? (happy to be corrected if wrong)

I'm not sold on our off the field team. from the pres down to the staff and coaching. something's amiss. Russell is a huge improvement and maybe even the best at what he does in the league. Everyone else though, needs to be questioned, yeah?

I'm pretty sure we're in year four of the 5-year declared rebuild (again, happy to be corrected here!). To my mind of a 5-year rebuild, by year four of said rebuild we'd be knocking on the door of the 8, maybe even make it if we have a good run of health. And then next year go full tilt for top 4 & win a final at the minimum?

... or was the 5 year rebuild about taking 5 years to reach the finals? was there any KPI's that defined this 5 year rebuild? ie where should we be by the end of the 5th year of this rebuild?

camel · **Posted:** Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:59 am

Patience is a virtue, but it cuts both ways.

If you lose faith in the plan before it's finished and start again, how much of what has preceded is kept/lost?

If you lose faith in the plan before it's finished and start again, what are the expectations of success, how soon, how much time do you give whoever comes next?

If you lose faith in the rebuild before it's finished and start again, do you ever finish?

Conversely, if you hold fast to the plan and it doesn't work, then what? Has the time on the failed plan been wasted?

Either way, and whatever your answers to the above, we can all agree a few wins would certainly help. :lol:

Braithy · **Joined:** Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm **Posts:** 7208

camelboy wrote:

Patience is a virtue, but it cuts both ways.

If you lose faith in the plan before it's finished and start again, how much of what has preceded is kept/lost?

If you lose faith in the plan before it's finished and start again, what are the expectations of success, how soon, how much time do you give whoever comes next?

If you lose faith in the rebuild before it's finished and start again, do you ever finish?

Conversely, if you hold fast to the plan and it doesn't work, then what? Has the time on the failed plan been wasted?

Either way, and whatever your answers to the above, we can all agree a few wins would certainly help. :lol:

i was thinking about it all of this ... and had the club defined where exactly we were to be at the end of the 5-year rebuild ... it'd have saved alotta supporter angst, imo.

after 5 years if we're meant to make the 8 and have the infrastructure and list in place to compete for the next decade (like, say Geelong) ... then i for one, would be a little more inclined to hang fat and smell what we're cooking.

... if however we were meant to be in the conversation of top 4 and beyond at year 5. Then there's no way we're going to make that, and changes need to be rung in sooner rather then later ... bcos it feels like we're the definition of insanity. repeating the same processes over and over for the same results.

gut our list at the end of each season, and then take half a season to gel and follow a somewhat unclear game plan, then rinse and repeat the following year.

we are no closer to anything right now then we were in year one. On the park results have actually declined, and are still on a downward trajectory.

Blue Boys · **Joined:** Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:35 pm **Posts:** 1234

Braithy wrote:

camelboy wrote:

Patience is a virtue, but it cuts both ways.

If you lose faith in the plan before it's finished and start again, how much of what has preceded is kept/lost?

If you lose faith in the plan before it's finished and start again, what are the expectations of success, how soon, how much time do you give whoever comes next?

If you lose faith in the rebuild before it's finished and start again, do you ever finish?

Conversely, if you hold fast to the plan and it doesn't work, then what? Has the time on the failed plan been wasted?

Either way, and whatever your answers to the above, we can all agree a few wins would certainly help. :lol:

i was thinking about it all of this ... and had the club defined where exactly we were to be at the end of the 5-year rebuild ... it'd have saved alotta supporter angst, imo.

after 5 years if we're meant to make the 8 and have the infrastructure and list in place to compete for the next decade (like, say Geelong) ... then i for one, would be a little more inclined to hang fat and smell what we're cooking.

... if however we were meant to be in the conversation of top 4 and beyond at year 5. Then there's no way we're going to make that, and changes need to be rung in sooner rather then later ... bcos it feels like we're the definition of insanity. repeating the same processes over and over for the same results.

gut our list at the end of each season, and then take half a season to gel and follow a somewhat unclear game plan, then rinse and repeat the following year.

we are no closer to anything right now then we were in year. On the park results have actually declined, and are still on a downward trajectory.

That was always going to happen given it took 4 years to delist 40 odd players. You can’t do that in the first year.

The Duke · **Posted:** Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:59 pm

We've already delisted several players that were brought in to replace the duds. It's a perpetual re-build.

As I said the other day, we're about to lose another 3-4 very experienced players due to retirement or free agency and we also now have guys like Plowman that are not up to current AFL standards clogging our list. Plowman is supposed to be part of our core group. There's no sign he's a top 8 team defender.

Braithy · **Joined:** Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm **Posts:** 7208

^^ ... and last year was just a red hot mess. delisting mediocre players and replacing them with the same, and in alotta cases lesser players; was just delisting for delisting's sake.

which brings me back to the whole bit. aside from russell, no one in this entire organisation should be a slam dunk to hold their job.

Bookie · **Posted:** Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:23 pm

It’s an entertainment business, winning two games since 2017 is not what any rebuild is about.
Gold Coast won three games in their very first season of AFL existence.
I don’t comprehend this dream that winning will just start to happen, despite Bolton and his assistants being miles out of their depth, and zero evidence to suggest otherwise.
The club and the majority of our supporters can’t bare the inevitable pain of admission that we shit the bed again.

bluedog · **Posted:** Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:36 pm

Bookie wrote:

The club and the majority of our supporters can’t bare the inevitable pain of admission that we shit the bed again.

I just keep telling myself that I'll believe it (wins/success) when I see it.

Until then,...

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10586

WOW .... and I thought I was down .... I get it though.

Steve_C7 · **Joined:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:39 pm **Posts:** 1002

Braithy wrote:

camelboy wrote:

Patience is a virtue, but it cuts both ways.

If you lose faith in the plan before it's finished and start again, how much of what has preceded is kept/lost?

If you lose faith in the plan before it's finished and start again, what are the expectations of success, how soon, how much time do you give whoever comes next?

If you lose faith in the rebuild before it's finished and start again, do you ever finish?

Conversely, if you hold fast to the plan and it doesn't work, then what? Has the time on the failed plan been wasted?

Either way, and whatever your answers to the above, we can all agree a few wins would certainly help. :lol:

i was thinking about it all of this ... and had the club defined where exactly we were to be at the end of the 5-year rebuild ... it'd have saved alotta supporter angst, imo.

after 5 years if we're meant to make the 8 and have the infrastructure and list in place to compete for the next decade (like, say Geelong) ... then i for one, would be a little more inclined to hang fat and smell what we're cooking.

... if however we were meant to be in the conversation of top 4 and beyond at year 5. Then there's no way we're going to make that, and changes need to be rung in sooner rather then later ... bcos it feels like we're the definition of insanity. repeating the same processes over and over for the same results.

gut our list at the end of each season, and then take half a season to gel and follow a somewhat unclear game plan, then rinse and repeat the following year.

we are no closer to anything right now then we were in year one. On the park results have actually declined, and are still on a downward trajectory.

1. A five year rebuild is purely around the list, year 1-4 all core players are retained or replaced FF,CHF,MID,CHB & FB all need to be of sufficient quality to fill in the gaps. (Weitering, Marchback, Doc, Jones, Cripps, Dow, SPS, Walsh, Fisher, TDK, Charlie, McGovern, Harry)

2. Year 5 start building some chemistry and minor tweaks to playing list and bedding down gameplan.

Success of rebuild is judged only by these 2 points, so question is do you believe that the core is of sufficient talent?

If yes then Bolton will be judged by end of 2020 as to whether he can execute point 2.

99prelim · **Joined:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm **Posts:** 3561

Bookie wrote:

It’s an entertainment business, winning two games since 2017 is not what any rebuild is about.
Gold Coast won three games in their very first season of AFL existence.
I don’t comprehend this dream that winning will just start to happen, despite Bolton and his assistants being miles out of their depth, and zero evidence to suggest otherwise.
The club and the majority of our supporters can’t bare the inevitable pain of admission that we shit the bed again.

Yeah but editing your post for accuracy and reasoned logic requires a greater rebuild than Carlton's one

tommi · **Posted:** Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:29 pm

Ya know....

patience is like foreplay...the more you
have...the better the final result...!

kindest regards tommi

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