Well Clokey a bloke who is just learning to play CHF and wouldn't exactly be one of the premier forwards of the competition was carving him up - So based on that it would be Bullants

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Clokey was not carving him up. Its just that Carlos was not carving Clokey up. Apart from Bower it was the runners of both sides doing the damage and that was the problem.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

So what's he going to do when Pavlich sticks four through on him in a quarter???

Knives out??

If he misses out against Essendon* (Rd 1) and Brisbane (Rd 2), and Lloyd/Lucas and Brown/Bradshaw kick bags on the other defenders, will anyone be dropped?

Who will we stick on Barry Hall in Rd 4 if Barry's in good form?

I think you'll find Robbo can do it all.

Jeez, I wonder what they'll promote in the lead up to that game if Setanta is playing...

Well if my memory serves me correct Ohalphin played against Brissy the first time last year when we lost and was absent the second time when we won and Brown and Bradshaw kicked bags in both - so wether he is there or not is a mute point as we appeared to fair better when he wasn't there

and Lloyd kicked four goals in both games when he was there and not so his effect on the team was nil

and lets not forget his famous round 22 game against Big Barry when Hall was in his biggest form slump of his career

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Short memory SB, Waite was destroyed by Brown before O'Hailpin and did a much better job in that first game.

In fact, the only game you could call O'Hailpin as being bad in last year was the game against the Aints. The rest he was more than serviceable. But your prejudices fail to see it.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

no my memory is not short we won when Setanta was not playing ( away) and we lost when he did (home)-
the effects of Brown and Bradshaw and who played on them do not matter

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Mmmmm....how many games did you get to see LIVE last year SB?

If you were at those games you would have seen the tremendous pressure applied by SO'H and also the amount of times he left his opponent to cover / double team another forward to assit a team mate. Yes he misjudges the flight occaissionaly and yes he sometimes looks like a goose when he tries things that don't quite come off BUT he does try things, he is exciting; he'll get things wrong occaissionally but I believe that he'll start getting them right more often and then you'll see what we all have been seeing for some time now.

PS. If form was his only selection criteria he'd be the first to welcome that policy / attitude change with open arms. We have many other sacred cows in the team who's selection defies all criteria.

We were 40 points down before the switch was made. Your a funny man SB.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

TUB go back to reading Bomber Thompsom coaching for dummies . They tell me Clarkson still hasn't stopped laughing about the fact that Scarlett lined up on Buddy

Did you ever think that we were 40 points down because the two blokes who provide our drive off the backline were busy trying to stop arguably the the best player in the comp and it wasn't until we freed up Waite and Gibbs were able to get back in the game.

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Its a pretty simple mind to say that someone's crap because we won when he wasn't playing and when he played we lost.

Going by that grand concept its no wonder we lost in the first round last year against Richmond, Judd was playing.

No coaching 101 books for you, i think Spekkie Magee is more your type.

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Agree 100%, bad analogy SB

Compare the Vic CHB in Waite and you may find that Carlos did just as good and in some case performed better after Waite was carved up!

Don't underestimate the Mad Irishman.

This is old hat now.

He'll do his time and if good enough will force his way back into the 22.

so ............................what happened?

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

clearly the saintata fans have forgotten his shite performance against Essendon* the second time round.

He played two clearly good games, as in good for your normal footballer, not good for a project player who is given special allowances as he is still learning. That was the first game collingwood and against Freo.

This year he must be judged as others would be, not given extra support as he is 'special'.

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Pity you were sucked in by SB's nonsense about the Essendon* games, KingKerna. You must think he played on Lloyd, who kicked 4 goals from 15 possessions. Wrong guy. Santy played on Scotty Lucas, and kept him to 1 goal from 8 possessions at CHF, and his only goal happened when Santy peeled off him to try to help out a team mate who had a one-on-one marking duel in the goalsquare. I reckon he did pretty well

Scarlett did a good job on Buddy during the GF -unfortunately it was probably his worst game all year - using Scarlett to shadow Buddy meant that the cats lost a lot of its re bounding ability out of defence - so the ball came in more often . The same thing applies with Carlton whenever we use waite as a stopper and rely on thorton (cough up )and
setanta to provide the drive it is good night Charlie - put your thortons and setanta on your brown or your pav it doesn't matter these guys are going to kick goals who ever they are on they are the cream of the crop - just dont sacrafice your defensive drive and creative players like waite or in geelongs case scarlett in mind numbing stopping jobs- The reason why
setanta was more effective against brown was because brown oppurtnites were limited once the Gibbs Waite move was made - nothing to do with the ability of Setanta - think of how many times we say why wasn't thorton put on him to start with . when we should have been saying get thorton out of that rebound role and put him some where where his poor disposal lack of judgement cant hurt us .

Setanta will struggle to get a game this year and the only way he will is if we get several injuries or he absolutely burns it up in the ants. That attack on cloke was a clear sign of a frustrated player who is very slowly falling way out of his depth

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