Jarusa wrote:
Siegfried wrote:
Of course it gurarantees nothigng Buzz, i Siad in my previous post that there is a risk whoever you appoint.
I am merely posing a question to all those posters on here who seem to want to sign up Voss here and now. I would like to hear from them what makes them so certain that he has the tactical knowledge and the communication skills to be a senior coach.
Because I haven't seen any evidence of that, so maybe they have. And if they have, I would be very greatful if they shared it.
Otherwise, if they don't have any such evidence, or even some information to indicate that he may have it, then I am curious as to what it is that makes them so obsessed with having Voss as a senior coach.
The thing is how can anyone know unless you interview Voss yourself (and that is assuming the interviewer is actually someone who has the credentials to understand what is substance and what is not).
But let's make some assumptions.
Voss was a three time premiership captain in a time of high media exposure. In most sides the captain is charged with the responsibility of doing the most media work and is also expected to provide the majority of on field leadership which also involves communication at quarter time, half time and three quarter time as well as during the match at training and club functions. I cannot remember there ever being any media stuff ups or controversies directly as a results of Voss mistakes and I seem to remember they won three premierships as well.
Anyone who has watched the brilliant Foxtel features in which you could hear Matthews comments in the coaches bix during two of their grand final win would know that during a game Matthews actually did very little tactical manouvering during those games. In other words it seems from the outside that the group of mature players he had were either under instruction to carry certain things out at certain times or were trusted to implement some of their own moves on the ground obviously within parameters set by Matthews. So one could assume that Voss being captain would have had a part to play in this success, and part of that would have been on the field tactical communication.
As far as tactical knowledge, who knows but he has played nearly 300 games in the modern era in a side that was both successful and importantly unsuccesful in his time at the club. He knows the ups and downs of footy, and you would have to assume that if he harboured ambitions about coaching (which he obviously does) then he would have taken notes along the way and formulated his own ideas.
Also, in the very limited coaching role Voss has had he has had glowing reviews.
Without an interview based on what I know of Voss as an individual tick and tick for both communication and tactics.
Can you tell me what the tactical and communication abilities of some of the current assistant coaches who might want the Carlton job are?
No, Jars, I can't. But each of them has a track record as an assistant coach that they use as a resume. It is evidence that they have performed (and are currently performing) at such a level before, and that the impressions they have made in those roles are such that people believe they will be able to take the next step into a senior role. Of course, there is still a risk involved. It is why some clubs sometimes shy away from untried assistants and wish only to consider an experienced senior coach.
Just as an aside, I read an article about the film industry in Hollywood. It said the most important consideration when hiring a director for a big-budget film (US$200m +) is that the director has directed a film with that kind of budget before. What they are trying to do is minimise risk, by hiring someone who has a proven track record in that role. Of course, footy is different. It's not just about making a profit, it is eventually about getting to number 1.
I don't agree by the way with your assumptions above that says that from the Fox Footy documentaries, Voss was a good tactician/communicator. That's a long bow to draw (although doesn't mean it's not the case). Also, whenever I saw Voss in the media when he was captain, I thought here was someone who, in this medium at least, doesn't really communicate particularly well. This has been reinforced for me in his role in special comments on Ten (unlike Buckley, whose tactical awareness and communication skills in his role in special comments on SEN is nothing short of brilliant).
Of course, we can sit and interview Voss and ask him about his strategies and tactics etc. However, I work in training and development, and there is a very important philosophy that says that you can say whatever you like, but you actually don't KNOW something until you have demonstrated that you can DO it.
We all sit here and prognosticate on what Pagan does that is right and wrong, and what we would do differently. Then why aren't we coaching? Because saying and doing are as far apart as communism and capitalism.
One more thing...when a guy like Paul Roos comes out and so strongly and categorically states that it is simply not possible for someone to coach successfully without having first served an apprenticeship, I listen.
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