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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 4:34 pm 
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I understand the wanting scrap the board, but like most things that happen behind the scenes at the club, we have NFI really. The fact that Sayers wanted Ross Lyon and got overruled offers some hope that there are reasonable people on the board.

We have a newish CEO, and new Footy boss, overseen by a newish President. They're the big wigs now.

Let's hope they are all aligned in the search for the coach and the flags of all three are inextricably nailed to the mast of whoever gets the gig.


Ditto.

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 4:39 pm 
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This is what is going on and has gone wrong
Sayers had to get unanimous approval from the board for Lyon to coach
One person voted against



Voss was appointed with the boards approval even though the football people favoured Kingsley who was ridiculously offered an assistant role
The board wanted another big name even though Voss’reputation for being inept tactically was common knowledge



I never heard that before re kingsley. Holy Moly.

keogh if you are correct on that front you know more than the average person and glad to read this stuff. Please be honest not emotional, and sometimes I feel you exaggerate a bit. But happy to take this onboard, and fingers crossed we get the next appointment right.

Hopefully we are not aiming for a known name, who is good for Marketing and Pressers but not necessarily good coach, and able to get the best based on sound plan.

I have a feeling Hinkley is on the short list and a long list is needed given the ample time we have to get this right. I'm sure he's hungry and a great coach. But so far, he's just a bridesmaid. I'm leaning to fresh blood and fresh ideas

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 4:54 pm 
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Cripps, Weiters and Walsh interviewed at the club earlier today…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnhBLM4HHYY

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 5:18 pm 
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That’s what I have heard
Thing is the board have virtually no idea about football matters
It’s all about money marketing law
The board’s focus after the Elliott was becoming financially in the black
David McKay was on the initial board after Elliott and it was close to throwing in the keys
It was that bad
The board has done a good job in cleaning up the financial mess Elliott left behind but unfortunately every new member is similar
It’s about money political correctness
And unfortunately the pokies money hasn’t been dealt with
So footy acumen isn’t there yet the board’s interference in footy matters continues


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 5:25 pm 
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Even with the poor result, I still preferred Voss over Lyon.

Best of luck Vossy.

Regards Cazzesman


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 5:36 pm 
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keogh wrote:
That’s what I have heard
Thing is the board have virtually no idea about football matters
It’s all about money marketing law
The board’s focus after the Elliott was becoming financially in the black
David McKay was on the initial board after Elliott and it was close to throwing in the keys
It was that bad
The board has done a good job in cleaning up the financial mess Elliott left behind but unfortunately every new member is similar
It’s about money political correctness
And unfortunately the pokies money hasn’t been dealt with
So footy acumen isn’t there yet the board’s interference in footy matters continues


But you hated Sticks and hate Diesel on the Board as well. Curious.

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 5:40 pm 
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Voss made the decision to step away... and I commend him on that. I don't think anyone can question his honour.

But the decision last year to allow him to coach 2026 was a mistake... it was always going to end this way.

Even though this was expected, I can't help but feel numb today. Another wasted rebuild, another search for a coach... déjà vu

... all the best Vossy

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 5:58 pm 
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Sacking Voss won’t make a huge difference

The whole club needs a reset

A proper internal review of the entire club has never been undertaken

The mini review that led to Voss was a missed opportunity

Five years later and we are back to square one

The only thing that gives me some hope is the seconds appear to be stronger and playing a modern brand of footy. Hopefully it permeates throughout the entire club and places more focus on a quality football program with proper systems in place. As opposed to a messiah complex that has destroyed this club.


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 7:04 pm 
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Haven't read any other comments but here's my two cents on Michael Voss:

Top bloke, very good coach - anything different to that is an opinion not based on fact but to suit one's warped narrative. But the decision he made was a good one. Hope he stays in the game.

On the CEO, Pres and GM presser:

Better than I expected. They did well. Remember that it wasn't all that long ago that this would have been leaked days out and they would have stuttered their way through an uncomfortable half-truths press conference talking absolute word salad gibberish.

As an aside - if you miss Ratts and want an astute footy brain who understands the modern game, then Hayden Skipworth is your guy. But like Ratts, he's going to need some really supportive and culture driven assistants that he trusts. Without that, like Ratts, it'll end in disaster.

If you want the culture driven assistant to be head coach, yet still understands the modern game, but there's a question mark on whether he can actually implement it, then Jaymie Graham is your guy.

If you want an already tried head coach, then get ready for them to be a bit more hands off than normal, to the point that you're wondering if they're actually the head coach.


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 7:38 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
Haven't read any other comments but here's my two cents on Michael Voss:

Top bloke, very good coach - anything different to that is an opinion not based on fact but to suit one's warped narrative. But the decision he made was a good one. Hope he stays in the game.

On the CEO, Pres and GM presser:

Better than I expected. They did well. Remember that it wasn't all that long ago that this would have been leaked days out and they would have stuttered their way through an uncomfortable half-truths press conference talking absolute word salad gibberish.

As an aside - if you miss Ratts and want an astute footy brain who understands the modern game, then Hayden Skipworth is your guy. But like Ratts, he's going to need some really supportive and culture driven assistants that he trusts. Without that, like Ratts, it'll end in disaster.

If you want the culture driven assistant to be head coach, yet still understands the modern game, but there's a question mark on whether he can actually implement it, then Jaymie Graham is your guy.

If you want an already tried head coach, then get ready for them to be a bit more hands off than normal, to the point that you're wondering if they're actually the head coach.


I'll back your Footy IQ Doc. :thumbsup: Skiptomaloo

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 7:48 pm 
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What an out James Kelly or Corey Enright? Would like someone from the Geelong system.


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 8:21 pm 
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What an out James Kelly or Corey Enright? Would like someone from the Geelong system.


Nup. They've got to have a personality. Otherwise they'll be reminiscent of Rob Harvey. Just a tracksuit. Nothing else.


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 8:45 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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they literally said at the presser that AI i a facet of global sport and by implication this will influence our decisions going forward…

Will Deepseek by allowed or declared a national security risk?!


Deepseek is a national security risk, no one in any government position or any nationally significant company is allowed to use it.


Only because it’s Chinese owned.

Yes that’s right, anything created in china is ultimately a tool of president Xi.

We can trust the other US based Platforms. :roll:

Yes because of FVEY.


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 8:50 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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bondiblue wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
I'm with Keogh on this one, getting rid of the coach will change very little, we could have easily kept him for most of the rest of the season, nothing will change with a new coach, or interim coach, or whatever. At best we will suffer dead cat bounce and win a bunch of games that make it really difficult to get full value from the draft.

We've changed every role in the club multiple times over the last 25 years with no good result, the only thing we haven't changed is the board. The board needs to acknowledge they haven't delivered access for the club, financial success is meaningless without onfield success, and they have failed in this regard just as much as any other role at the club, yet they haven't been held accountable. We need to turn over every board position in the next 12 months, otherwise we are very likely to repeat our last 25 years of history, and we will be back, sacking the coach again in 3-4 years time.


Be careful what you wish for sinners. How long have the current Board Members been on the Board? Not 25 years, not 15 years, not 10 years. Sayers was on the Board longest and last year was going to be his last.

I'm sure we have learned a lot of lessons from the last 2 decades. Pagan, Ratts, MM, Teague didn't have the cattle. Maybe they werent good enough. Maybe they were trying to save their skin. Who knows? We certainly couldnt attract talent to the club. How does that change with new Board Members.

We aren't getting rid of Vossy for the sake of removing Vossy. We are clearing the runway to give us longer to find the right candidate. Thats what has been stated. To give those looking elsewhere now, or not wanting to step on their mates' grave (Vossy) a clean canvas to canvas the vacancy.

We are not going to change the Board in 12 months, unless there's a huge spill, and that doesn't guarantee all board members go. Not sure if this is the answer TBH. I think its a football issue.

If you don't think Chris Davies and Graeme Wright, experienced and well regarded football people (by everyone outside this club at least), are NOT the right people to manage the challenge of finding the best coach for us, then why bother with the Board spill when you haven't got the right football people in the 2 most important Onfield roles at the club?


It's not the length of each board members tenure that is the issue, it's their commitment to football success for the club. We need a board full of people who are passionate about the club's success (and making money), and not just making money. I don't mean Matheison types either, I mean new blood, passionate about business and Carlton success.

Why not try it? What could go wrong that hasn't already gone wrong?


I don't know the Board. Just a bunch of names to me. I was asking the question because I think it is relevant.

What if there's Board Members who have been there for less than a year? They may well be fresh blood with new ideas.

I take note when keogh mentions some, and his favourite, favoured because of her sex, but there may be more to it than that.

I vividly recall the Board post 2002 and the 10 years after than, we were a mess till Richard Pratt took the helm as President. Since then we put Smorgyland projects in the bin and steadied the ship to the point we have new faculties for the PLAYERS, increased staff numbers, and became profitable. The off field stuff.

The silliest football thing to happen was Sayers and Lyon saga, but both are in the past now, and I'm glad the Board didn't go with Lyon. Tick.

I don't think the Board should interfere with on field stuff, that's for the football department.

I am happy to hear otherwise, but throwing the baby with the bath water seems extreme but truly, I wouldn't know who is a good Board Member and who is not. Happy to listen to reasonable debate.


It simple, If they’re not using their influence to help Carlton stand up against the AFL when needed (like with this years draft) then they aren’t pulling their weight and need to go.


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 9:42 pm 
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I have finally caught up with all the interviews and reports.
If you like Voss or you hate him, he defiantly did not lose the players (the majority anyway).
The interview from Cripps, Weiters and Walsh told us a lot.
Crippa was frustrated, he wants success and I'm sure he can see this as a set back.
He looked visibly upset and from what I have heard, this is not what he wanted.
Walsh looked devastated, I really feel for him at the moment.
Good to see he called out his team mates and being unable to deliver.
Weitering, it just felt fake TBH.
And to hear him say he wanted to be a leader going forward just showed his level of professionalism.
I hope we trade him at seasons end.

Back to Vossy, I think little credit has been given to what he has achieved with the club and I'm glad he touched on it in his interview.
We all knew he was not that good tactically, but to say he wasn't a leader is just being naive.
I am disappointed in the club for not providing the tactical support for him earlier and even though we did at the end of the season, it seems it was done a little too late.
No matter what you think of him, he will be a huge loss to the playing group and TBH, I can't see us improving much unless the same issues that plagued Voss is addressed and that is adding the right players to play the modern brand of football.
Unfortunately for us, this will take time to address for a multitude of reasons.
So any delusions of us being competitive and back in the finals in 2027 should be tempered IMO.
I also don't like the appointment of Fraser, it wreaks too much Collingwood for me and I don't really rate him as a coach but understand his experience has given him the leg up.

As for the board. The board has roles and responsibilities and I'm not going to go into board compositions or duties required by its members but the rhetoric of having more footballers on the board is just lunacy, unless they have the required skills required at a business level.
And that is what some seem to forget, it is a business first and its product is football.
So yes they need to be focused on marketing and making money, even more so when we are not selling a good product.
The appointments of Cook, GW and CD are great examples of a board making good decisions of both identifying and attracting the best talent to make sure our product is in the best position to be successful.
The board doesn't need football acumen for talent, that is the job of GW and CD to find, deliver and sell to them.


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 10:37 pm 
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FC have just highlighted once again, with many examples from just this year, our structures and setups being all wrong.
Players not setup outside the contest and not using by hand for the release and run (transition).
That is the area Voss has failed in. Can't be said enough.

GW and CD highlighted this multiple times in the press conference;
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“Ultimately, beyond results alone, we have not seen the intended evolution in our game, and to his credit, Michael acknowledges that now is the right time for the club to move forward under the leadership of a new senior coach.”


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2026 10:42 pm 
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His record before and after that infamous GWS game in 2024 is very eye opening. Would love to know what happened in that game.

Ultimately we will never know if the thrill of 2023 happened because of Voss or in spite of him.

Interesting he declined to be at the presser today and instead chose to do an interview with Damian Barrett. Apparently in that interview he said the club is in better shape now than when he started.

If that hasn’t been taken out of context, with all due respect Michael you couldn’t be more wrong.

Stubborn till the very end and that’s brought about his downfall.


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His record before and after that infamous GWS game in 2024 is very eye opening. Would love to know what happened in that game.

Ultimately we will never know if the thrill of 2023 happened because of Voss or in spite of him.

Interesting he declined to be at the presser today and instead chose to do an interview with Damian Barrett. Apparently in that interview he said the club is in better shape now than when he started.

If that hasn’t been taken out of context, with all due respect Michael you couldn’t be more wrong.

Stubborn till the very end and that’s brought about his downfall.


That GWS game broke something in this team. It was like the self belief that had built over the last year evaporated in a moment and they never recovered. The first quarter and a half that night was peak Voss Carlton and just like that, it was gone. Speaks volumes of the mental fragility of this team. We'll never know what happened, but whatever it was, it was the beginning of the end

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2026 7:05 am 
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Glad Voss is gone just not tactically good in game plans but I do feel sorry for him he was limited with what he had due to the last 2 recruiting bosses who literally stuffed up putting this team together I think sos and Austin were way behind the times and not up to speed with the way the game was going there lack of foresight to see how the game was evolving has a huge impact on Voss


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His record before and after that infamous GWS game in 2024 is very eye opening. Would love to know what happened in that game.

Ultimately we will never know if the thrill of 2023 happened because of Voss or in spite of him.

Interesting he declined to be at the presser today and instead chose to do an interview with Damian Barrett. Apparently in that interview he said the club is in better shape now than when he started.

If that hasn’t been taken out of context, with all due respect Michael you couldn’t be more wrong.

Stubborn till the very end and that’s brought about his downfall.


That GWS game broke something in this team. It was like the self belief that had built over the last year evaporated in a moment and they never recovered. The first quarter and a half that night was peak Voss Carlton and just like that, it was gone. Speaks volumes of the mental fragility of this team. We'll never know what happened, but whatever it was, it was the beginning of the end
Charlie rolled his ankle pregame clowning around with soccer ball which affected the rest of the season

Weiters got a cork and spent the best part of quarter on bench and when he came back on couldn't go with Hogan so Kemp went to him and was slaughtered

TDK was beaten to a pulp by Briggs and spent large amounts of time on the bench.

McGovern and Williams both spent time in the rooms getting treated

They beat us up and then ran us off our feet and showed the entire competition how mentally fragile we were.

Haven't been the same since.

CK and I couldn't believe at quarter time how bad GWS were . That soon changed.

I was arguing with Bondi and Sinbagger pregame that if we didn't win the flag that year the years to come would be painful as we hadn't built depth and what we had coming through reserves was rubbish

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