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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:56 pm 
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John Nicholls

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Dead man walking if we dont get a win in the next two games in my opinion. He will stay on for a bit but the blues will be sniffing around and then pull the trigger later in the year. Would love Ratts back.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:56 pm 
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Craig Bradley
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Hornet wrote:
Lions win again... weren't they behind us a few years back?


Yep that's right hornet, they won the spoon in 2017. Hence why I think we are a year or two behind them in development. They also have Luke Hodge on-field coaching their backline, that's is as valuable as Judd was for our midfield.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:59 pm 
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Uncle Zel wrote:
The results this weekend and more broadly this season have been telling and make for fairly grim reading for Bolton. The next two weeks are enormous for his coaching career.


This season as in 2 games?? Pfft.......this speaks volumes on your insights. Thanks for coming, bye now! :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:03 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
I said it then and I’ll say it now, It’s hard to change a culture.
We well and truly buried our successful thinking 20 years ago and after 2 full list changes are still struggling to get the win at all mentality back.


I agree only at the moment, but it will happen. We have finally built the right foundations and starting to get some depth to be back up the top again, but patience is a rarity among some of this lot.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:12 pm 
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Mike Fitzpatrick

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Uncle Zel wrote:
The results this weekend and more broadly this season have been telling and make for fairly grim reading for Bolton. The next two weeks are enormous for his coaching career.

I think we have played reasonably well in the first two rounds - but yes the next two weeks are very important. I wish Charlie didn't get injured :mad: :mad:
Anyway Bolton isn't the only coach under pressure right now, Worsfold is on thin ice and the Dees better turn things around pretty quick or else Goodwin will be in strife. At the start of the season Richardson's job was looking shaky and right now Ross Lyon and Brad Scott will be feeling under pressure.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:22 pm 
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Ken Hands

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Yep this time last year Buckley was a spud. July 2017 and Hardwick was hopeless. It's a very complex business, which is obviously irritating those who can only cope with simple answers. We win, coach is good. We lose, coach is bad.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:25 pm 
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Harry Vallence

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Didn’t Brisbane win the spoon in 2017 and then start the year 0-10 in 2018?

They still only won 5 games for all of last year. Funny what a couple of early season wins and they’re the team we should be aspiring for.

Having said that we are probably where the lions were in 2017 and that’s not a bad model to follow. Really hope we can notch up some unexpected wins this season for momentum in 2020 and add some experience in the off season.

Lions have added Hodge, Neale, Cameron, Lyons and Mcarthy in the last couple of years plus had some good luck eg their bookends in Andrews and Hipwood are both Academy picks not to mention the priority pick in Witherden.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:34 pm 
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Before the season started consensus was 4-8 wins.

Lost the first two to Tigers and Port at home. In both games at 3/4 time but couldn’t finish them off and the knives are out. Nothing diabolical has happened in either game yet.

If we are 0-4 after the next two games then start sharpening.

Fair bit of preemptive daggers being thrown though. People still can’t seem to get their head around what we have done to our list, how far back we are coming from, and who we have starting in our midfield week to week, the quality of our older heads when they compare us to other teams on the rise.

Everyone including me just wants a @#$%&! win. The club would be desperate for one. It should happen against a treacle Sydney.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:00 pm 
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toddkurnski wrote:
Before the season started consensus was 4-8 wins.

Lost the first two to Tigers and Port at home. In both games at 3/4 time but couldn’t finish them off and the knives are out. Nothing diabolical has happened in either game yet.

If we are 0-4 after the next two games then start sharpening.

Fair bit of preemptive daggers being thrown though. People still can’t seem to get their head around what we have done to our list, how far back we are coming from, and who we have starting in our midfield week to week, the quality of our older heads when they compare us to other teams on the rise.

Everyone including me just wants a @#$%&! win. The club would be desperate for one. It should happen against a treacle Sydney.


Good post.
I think it's accepted that a 6 win season would be a step in the right direction.
When the coaching staff were looking at our fixture before the start of the season, I doubt a win in Rd 1 against the tigers or a win in Rd 2 against Port away from home were two that had been penciled in as wins.
We play Sydney , the Sun's, Saints and Bulldogs twice each. The bulk of our 6 wins should be coming from that lot along with our matches against *, Freo, North.
As we get deeper into the season injury and form of other teams may mean we get them on a good day and have an unexpected win along the way.
I think the usual nervous Nellie's are out in force early this year.
Chillax.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:50 am 
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Uncle Zel wrote:
Don’t worry Hornet, there is an excuse hiding away somewhere

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:20 am 
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toddkurnski wrote:
Before the season started consensus was 4-8 wins.

Lost the first two to Tigers and Port at home. In both games at 3/4 time but couldn’t finish them off and the knives are out. Nothing diabolical has happened in either game yet.

If we are 0-4 after the next two games then start sharpening.

Fair bit of preemptive daggers being thrown though. People still can’t seem to get their head around what we have done to our list, how far back we are coming from, and who we have starting in our midfield week to week, the quality of our older heads when they compare us to other teams on the rise.

Everyone including me just wants a @#$%&! win. The club would be desperate for one. It should happen against a treacle Sydney.


please do not include anything remotely near logic here Todd. this is neither the time nor the place.... :razz:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:43 am 
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Port came to Melbourne last week and comfortably beat a team many people have as flag favourites.
We go to their home ground, lose our best KPP early in the game, compete hard and go down by 14 points.
Yet the usual whingers and sooks who seem to revel in negativity are jumping at the opportunity to espouse their usual negative crap.

No one is happy to lose. We all would like to win but let's be @#$%&! realistic. We won 2 games last year.
I want to see improvement and a reasonable increase in wins. So far our backline is performing better, our youngsters are getting opportunities and we've been highly competitive late in both our games. Let's get a reasonable sample size to assess our progression before getting the knives out.
Some posters only appear when there's something to sook about. @#$%&! pathetic.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:29 am 
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Is it safe to say Brisbane have gone past us ?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:30 am 
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They were ahead of us already. Last year they had the year that will probably have this year. Better percentage. More competitive but failing to get over the line in close games against experienced teams.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:04 am 
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There it is- let’s just tacitly accept that another basket case has gone past us. This week it’s brisbane. Is Gold Coast next week? Or St Kilda? We are the gentleman sitting in the toll booth at a public car park opening up the boom gates


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:13 am 
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Who accepts it? Some people can see it for what it is, you can just whinge. Also, look on the bright side, we've clearly gone past Essendon* and Melbourne, so Bolton must be doing something right.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:27 am 
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Uncle Zel wrote:
There it is- let’s just tacitly accept that another basket case has gone past us. This week it’s brisbane. Is Gold Coast next week? Or St Kilda? We are the gentleman sitting in the toll booth at a public car park opening up the boom gates



Don't be so bloody negative - you can clearly see that this years 0-2 start is an improvement on last years 0-2 which in turn was an improvement on 2017 0-2 start and the 2016 -2015 -2014- 2013 - 0-2 starts - Every 0-2 start is an improvement on the previous years 0-2

and next week you will notice that the 0-3 start this year will be vastly better than the 0-3 start from last year and the year previous and previous to that and so on .

Every year the same old negative posters come on here and they can't understand the growth we are seeing right before our eyes .

It's not about wins and losses
Players need to learn to endure
we know exactly where we are at
We are not happy with honourable losses
This is the future there for all to see
There are plenty of green shoots
Green shoots are turning into small branches
There is a terrific vibe around the club
Players are getting comfortable at being uncomfortable
and the latest
I love you guys

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:48 am 
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I was listening to Nick Riewoldt and Gary Lyon talking about Carlton this morning. That said they can definitely see an improvement in our system, our game style, our defence and improvement in our young midfielders.
Now, I'm not saying 200 game+ AFL players know as much as our esteemed negative Nancy's but I thought it could be worth mentioning

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:58 am 
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There has been talk by so called "experts" and 200 game players about our supposed "improvement" since the Murphy Gibbs Krueze era. Rarely have we translated talk into action. Enough talk. Play 4 quarters of consistent football without the lapses that opposition sides capitalise on; win games we should win and even surprise us every now and then by winning games we shouldn't. My expectations aren't astronomical, I would argue that the broader supporter base has been too accepting of the messaging coming from the club and the near enough is good enough approach. SOS knows what its about with his bold move on draft night. No more talk. Show us


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:59 am 
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Yup....

i'm seeing improvement this year...!

that's all i wanted...but i'm a supporter...
ergo a bit of a dill sometimes...!


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