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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:32 pm 
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We as supporters should be totally embarrassed that the media & emotion is being used to select our senior coach.
This is the result of combining personality politics with years of failure to deflect the responsibility from our organisation to the easy target of the coach. Malthouse is a good coach. He is not responsible for our current position and every time you see Cripps, Byrne, Buckley succeed you might want to pay Malthouse the respect he deserves. I hope he gets a 3 year contract if for no other reason than to make a statement that our board, football department and feral supporters are largely responsible for our current situation and not the coach.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:43 pm 
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Cripps attributes his success this year to a chat with Judd on where he needs to improve.

It would be great if Judd could hang around as a development coach after he hangs the boots up.

Back on topic, wouldn't be fazed either way on MM for this season.

Would hope we can do one better for next season.

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Last week Murphy said they're right behind the coach... at the moment. Now Gibbs wants to send the coach off with a win.

I suggest we employ Oscar Judd as our media liaison from now on.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:05 pm 
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Judd is probably one of the few elite players that could translate as a coach, given how much he focussed on his football and his physical conditioning.

The only thing against him is how he isn't already managing to impart this on more of the squad. Perhaps it's an issue of charisma, but it's something that would require work on his part so he can be an effective communicator of his ideas and philosophies.

Cripps got the message, and a few others too, but not everyone's as humble as them. Judd can't handcuff himself to all of them.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:06 pm 
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Judd won't coach post his playing days. He doesn't like the AFL bubble.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:11 pm 
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John James wrote:
Judd won't coach post his playing days. He doesn't like the AFL bubble.


Possibly.

Depends what else he's qualified to do.

High school was a long time ago.

Does he have any qualifications?

I reckon there's every chance he'll take on a footy related role but not sure where.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:14 pm 
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John James wrote:
Judd won't coach post his playing days. He doesn't like the AFL bubble.

Given that he's not qualified to do anything else and likes living the high society life, he might want to reconsider.

Under the right program, he'll be happy to try and help burst the bubble.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:16 pm 
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He runs a sports clothing company with Steve Greene. Owns a Nightclub and has his fingers in a lot of property trusts. His wife also brings in good money. He isn't going to work a lot of hours and miss seeing his kids grow up for a $200 k assistant job. He would probably be earning more money away from playing right now.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:18 pm 
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John James wrote:
He runs a sports clothing company with Steve Greene. Owns a Nightclub and has his fingers in a lot of property trusts. His wife also brings in good money. He isn't going to work a lot of hours and miss seeing his kids grow up for a $200 k assistant job.


Yeah, don't see him in that role.

but he might take a corporate job at the AFL or just supplement his current income streams with media roles like Lingy.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:26 pm 
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John James wrote:
He runs a sports clothing company with Steve Greene. Owns a Nightclub and has his fingers in a lot of property trusts. His wife also brings in good money. He isn't going to work a lot of hours and miss seeing his kids grow up for a $200 k assistant job. He would probably be earning more money away from playing right now.



He has an MBA. The sports clothing company is Jaggad. They make good stuff, i have some of their cycling kit and they do regular yoga/cycling/running/compression style clothes, very pricey though. Judd models stuff on their website. They have a shop down Brighton way i think in a converted Milk Bar. It is good stuff and i love their cycling gear (esp my merino wool socks) but it isn't quite Nike or Adidas. I'm not sure that Jaggad would be any more than a part-time thing for Juddy.

This week Ben Robets-Smith, the SAS VC winner was given a job as a GM of one of the TV networks in Queensland based on leadership. I'm sure Judd would be very well connected and unlike many ex footballers he has an MBA and seems a solid citizen and reasonably switched on. I am sure there would be companies around that would offer him a roles if he wanted. I am also sure he would have a pile of $$ somewhere that he could use to buy a share in another business if he wanted to. i think he has said in the past he would like to successfully run his own small business.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:28 pm 
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Read the article in the Age where he is charging $1999 per week for his old place in Prahran. Also said he owns a warehouse in Perth that earns $3000 per month.

I think if he ever returned to the AFL he would appear at a club one day a week for a mentor type position.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:37 pm 
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John James wrote:
He runs a sports clothing company with Steve Greene. Owns a Nightclub and has his fingers in a lot of property trusts. His wife also brings in good money. He isn't going to work a lot of hours and miss seeing his kids grow up for a $200 k assistant job. He would probably be earning more money away from playing right now.

You left out Ryan Trainor. The market for high-end sporting goods isn't exactly huge or necessarily high-profit despite being potentially high-margin.

Nightclubs are not a sustainable investment model unless you own several, and property trusts, along with negative gearing, are going to be in the gun of probably the next several terms of government. What you've floated is an OK-at-best investment strategy for 10, maybe 20 years.

Also, I didn't say he should start as an assistant. Speaking half-truths and putting words in my mouth does you no favours.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:40 pm 
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2ndeffort wrote:
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He runs a sports clothing company with Steve Greene. Owns a Nightclub and has his fingers in a lot of property trusts. His wife also brings in good money. He isn't going to work a lot of hours and miss seeing his kids grow up for a $200 k assistant job. He would probably be earning more money away from playing right now.



He has an MBA. The sports clothing company is Jaggad. They make good stuff, i have some of their cycling kit and they do regular yoga/cycling/running/compression style clothes, very pricey though. Judd models stuff on their website. They have a shop down Brighton way i think in a converted Milk Bar. It is good stuff and i love their cycling gear (esp my merino wool socks) but it isn't quite Nike or Adidas. I'm not sure that Jaggad would be any more than a part-time thing for Juddy.

Are you sure you're not thinking of Beau Waters 2nd? He is on record as having an MBA.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:59 pm 
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He's also a director at G3 Events, for those interested in his actual business acumen, which is a hospitality company specialising in sporting and corporate events. Greene is also a director.

And yes, I know the nightclub is Eve but here's the thing: call the right people at the right time enough times over a couple of months, and their 'business model' goes out the window.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:07 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
We as supporters should be totally embarrassed that the media & emotion is being used to select our senior coach.
This is the result of combining personality politics with years of failure to deflect the responsibility from our organisation to the easy target of the coach. Malthouse is a good coach. He is not responsible for our current position and every time you see Cripps, Byrne, Buckley succeed you might want to pay Malthouse the respect he deserves. I hope he gets a 3 year contract if for no other reason than to make a statement that our board, football department and feral supporters are largely responsible for our current situation and not the coach.

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I'm happy for Mick to coach out the year but lets not be silly. When the supporters have tactical responsibility and struggle to counter opposition strategies, blame us then. Until that time, the buck stops with the coach.

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bluey had a fit ablett running around if mick does retire , the club should do a proper process in finding the replacement.

Even if Mick DOESN'T retire, Bluey still had a fit Ablett running around.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:24 pm 
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My 2 cents worth.

This current kerfuffle is causing damage more than good.

Where are we as a club? We are somewhere from 12-16 with those below us haveing more young players. Our leaders are flawed and we have a culture of not responding to adversity. The club and team needs a rebuild.
Is Mick the man to do the job?
He took over a talented but lowly West Coast, took them to 2 flags, 3 GFs and 10 final series in a row. Towards the end of the era, the stars were ageing and need to be replaced. In his last season they finished 5th.
He took over Collingwood at their lowest ebb. Within 3 seasons they were ina GF with an average-above average list which they could easily have won. Got blown away in another GF. Then as they slid down the ladder, he rebuilt a new team that would dominate the comp for 2 years and make 2 GFs again and many PFs.
At both clubs, he left the clubs as financial powerhouses. Not all his doing but winning culture does do wonders.
At both clubs, many of his proteges as players and assistant coachse have gone on to be AFL coaches.

So the question can he develop and rebuild a club is a ridiculous one.

He has been told that his contract renewal depends on how the team performs this year. What does that mean???
The President and CEO have said we are in a rebuild. Have they told the coach that?. It seems he is under the impression he needs to win. If we are in a rebuild, what are they waiting for? Either he's the man to do that or not. He has been ata the club 2.5 years. If they don't know him by now, they should resign for incompetence.

If not him who?
Can the club gamble on an unknown? who are the candidates left?
Or do we try a previously failed coach?

Stop the speculation, give him a 2 year extension and tell him to rebuild this club.

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Blue Vain wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
I'm happy for Mick to coach out the year but lets not be silly. When the supporters have tactical responsibility and struggle to counter opposition strategies, blame us then. Until that time, the buck stops with the coach.


Agree with this.
Happy for Mick to coach out the year, and for the Club to undertake (for once) a proper and thorough process for the next coach.
As Trigg stated many times in interviews over the last few weeks, we have to make sure we get every decision whether recruiting players or coaches, right.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:43 pm 
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Does Mick have the energy at 61 for a 2-3 year rebuild?

Trigg asked the question, but i'm not sure anyone answered it.


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