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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:18 am 
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Do they go with one ruck or two?



Voss said two in his presser this morning

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:18 am 
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I would put my money on the following:

Vossy will target a Swans player and torment them verbally and physically. A play maker.
Vossy will have big bodies smashing into the contest to wear the down the opposition in a game of attrition.
Vossy will have 2 KPF targets and they will spread and stretch the Swans short defense to breakdown their Team defense mantra.
Vossy will have Pitto as his first ruck to nullify the tap and wear down Hickey and McLean, and smash a few mids, as he does every game (its all he does).
Vossy will have TDK rucking later in quarters to jump over the opposition, run off them and be a spare around the ground.
Vossy will have 2 defenders playing very close to their main goal kickers, Papley and Heeney, at all times.
Vossy will have a plan to combat the Saad tag.

No one from Swans can keep up with Cerra and Walsh, and they are huge defensive runners, as is Hewett.

We got them covered. Yes


All of that . ................... Heaney and Warner are gonna cop heat . Pitto the " Attack Dog " in the Shane Mumford style .


Exactly.

Its predictable.

What's not predictable imo is whether Vossy keeps backing Marchbank to keep improving. He may be the sub, and is in my best team.

I think sub will be out of Marchy/Kemp, Fogarty or Dow.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:20 am 
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I really want Fogarty to be selected. So important when we don't have the ball.

I rate Cunners but if it's a choice of the 2 my preference is Fogarty

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:21 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Training now squad of 26 out there

No Durdin. Marchbank out there as is squad from last game. Ed Curnow out there as well


It was said to me yesterday that some of legends of the club Durdin has been getting in the way of Charlie.

I wonder if Kennedy and Boyd are in that 26?

I'm sure Fisher, Dow, Ed would be.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:23 am 
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I really want Fogarty to be selected. So important when we don't have the ball.

I rate Cunners but if it's a choice of the 2 my preference is Fogarty


I'm the opposite.

Reason why I think that is We have enough of the tough tacklers performing since Fog came in the team to show them how its done.
Remember Fogarty replaced Motlop.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:24 am 
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looking like

McGovern Weitering Newman
Docherty Kemp Saad
Acres Cripps Hollands
Cottrell McKay Owies
Martin Curnow Motlop
Pittonet Hewett Walsh
TDK Cerra Fogarty Marchbank (Dow)

Cuningham Kennedy Cincotta Fisher Bloody Unlucky


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:27 am 
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CK95 wrote:
I really want Fogarty to be selected. So important when we don't have the ball.

I rate Cunners but if it's a choice of the 2 my preference is Fogarty


Same. Fogarty is tougher and has been very effective when going into the middle.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:30 am 
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I reckon

McGovern Weitering Newman
Cincotta Kemp Saad
Acres Cripps Hollands
Cottrell McKay Owies
Martin Curnow Motlop
Pittonet Hewett Walsh
TDK Cerra Marchbank Docherty (Dow)

Fogarty Cuningham Kennedy Fisher

I would have Cuningham ahead of Dow as sub, both have pace, but Dow may get the sympathy nod (based on good form on a weekly basis)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:52 am 
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bondiblue wrote:

Have they got us covered? Nope.



you're gonna sound silly if the swans gets us ... borderline obnoxious even.



thing is, swans are a known finals commodity and will come to play and they will deliver a physically hard at it and well drilled brand of footy, friday night. longmire will make sure of it.


same cannot be said of us. what the occasion does to us ... if we go back and pick the side based on the early season "favourites" rather than balance (which was the primary source of the sack voss vibes - picking the same players who underperform and underwhelm) and we steer too far away from the team which won 9 on the trot, i feel like we won't just lose, we will be picked apart.

there was a radical physical and mental shift in our play mid season, but there was also having the right balance out there. fast, swarming pressure played by smaller more mobile players.

talk of 2 rucks, 2 big forwards, marchbank as 7th defender (when swans have damaging small/mid forwards than talls etc is starting to sound like that horrible stop-start play, slow build up zero handball chains which got us to bottom four.


if that happens, it makes our win streak look almost accidental - bcos voss and the MC would never have dynamically thought to shift the magnets around and go more swarming & mobile.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 11:50 am 
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As much as I’d love to play Kennedy I don’t think he can play with Cripps and Hewett, unless he’s playing a completely different role.

I’d be going
OUT Marchbank, Fisher, Durdin and Dow
IN Pittonet Cripps Docherty and Motlop.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 11:55 am 
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Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:

Have they got us covered? Nope.



you're gonna sound silly if the swans gets us ... borderline obnoxious even.



thing is, swans are a known finals commodity and will come to play and they will deliver a physically hard at it and well drilled brand of footy, friday night. longmire will make sure of it.


same cannot be said of us. what the occasion does to us ... if we go back and pick the side based on the early season "favourites" rather than balance (which was the primary source of the sack voss vibes - picking the same players who underperform and underwhelm) and we steer too far away from the team which won 9 on the trot, i feel like we won't just lose, we will be picked apart.

there was a radical physical and mental shift in our play mid season, but there was also having the right balance out there. fast, swarming pressure played by smaller more mobile players.

talk of 2 rucks, 2 big forwards, marchbank as 7th defender (when swans have damaging small/mid forwards than talls etc is starting to sound like that horrible stop-start play, slow build up zero handball chains which got us to bottom four.


if that happens, it makes our win streak look almost accidental - bcos voss and the MC would never have dynamically thought to shift the magnets around and go more swarming & mobile.


Obnoxious! OK.

What if we win? What am I then? And what does that make you?

Ive watched the Swans win against us twice this year.
Ive watched the Swans play a lot of games.
If not for the NM interchange debacle let alone the other lucky wins (vs Crows) they would be 10th or 11th.

Preseason Game
In the preseason Vossy was experimenting whilst Swans were making a point folowing the GF loss. Dow was a liability along with other issues.
We had Cripps Walsh McKay Cuningham Boyd Marchbank Williams all missing. Swans had almost a full list.

Round 11

We should have won but KPFs missing goals from 15 and 20m in front, let alone easy shots from 30 and stupid stop start game plan...even Swans supporters agreed we gave them the game. Despite playing crap we should have won and our kicking at goal was embarrassing.
We had Martin and Cuningham missing. Kennedy and Cerra playing HB. Young and silvagni were dropped. Kemp and Gov expected to mind McAndrews(203cm) and McLean (200cm) whilst Weiters had Franklin and kept him goalless. Heeny tagged an injured Cripps. Warner was in top form.

I'm basing my selection on what I have seen in our two games against them, and the form of both teams in the last 2 months, and more particular the last month. I know Bloods footy. i know they will bring the heat, but I also know they will fade and don't play 4 quarter footy like they did last year. Warner is coming back from injury, Papley has just started running this week from hammy injury, and Gulden has become their match winner.

You think I'm bordering obnoxious! Mate, I'm confident.

You on the other hand have been hard to convince in the last 2 months we are the real deal. Every week you don't believe and super nervous.

I thought you were going to come up to Sydney to kiss me if I was right about our chance against Saints when I was (similarly AFAYAC 'obnoxious') because you couldnt see it given saints had beaten us easily the previous year.

Swans are well drilled and play well with what they have for it, but its not that much TBH.

Obnoxious? There's 2 sides playing. When comparing the 2 teams game plan and personnel they both have strengths. You seem to look at the oppositions strengths, ignore ours and you shit yourself. We have too many strengths over them to lose. We will not go into the game half hearted, and did I mention both losses against Swans THIS year were in Sydney and this week its at the G with 65,000 Carlton supporters to motivate them as the 24th man.

Now what do you think?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 11:58 am 
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CK95 wrote:
I really want Fogarty to be selected. So important when we don't have the ball.

I rate Cunners but if it's a choice of the 2 my preference is Fogarty


You know Vossy loves Fog and what he brings to the contest. you may get your wish.

The way Vossy talked the players who stepped in half way to get us going have welcomed last week's break. Feel heis talking about Fog coz he was one of those.

We will smash the Swans

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 11:59 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Training now squad of 26 out there

No Durdin. Marchbank out there as is squad from last game. Ed Curnow out there as well


It was said to me yesterday that some of legends of the club Durdin has been getting in the way of Charlie.

I wonder if Kennedy and Boyd are in that 26?

I'm sure Fisher, Dow, Ed would be.


Boyd wasn't part of the captains run. Kennedy must have been.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:17 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
CK95 wrote:
I really want Fogarty to be selected. So important when we don't have the ball.

I rate Cunners but if it's a choice of the 2 my preference is Fogarty


Same. Fogarty is tougher and has been very effective when going into the middle.

He plays as a proper rover at the forward half stoppages.

Take away Swans rebound, take away the game.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:18 pm 
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Ok on a slightly different note...

I had a thought bubble just now.

I really want the camera to pan to the audience before the first bounce and pick out Nick Duigan, eating a subway :)

Last winning final and all

Sorry, on with the conversation


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:29 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
CK95 wrote:
I really want Fogarty to be selected. So important when we don't have the ball.

I rate Cunners but if it's a choice of the 2 my preference is Fogarty


Same. Fogarty is tougher and has been very effective when going into the middle.

He plays as a proper rover at the forward half stoppages.

Take away Swans rebound, take away the game.



spot on little buddy. we have to move the ball fast when we have the pill and be mobile and swarm when we don't to take their rebound away.


a mate told me the swans rank first in rebound scoring?


i honestly think our hardest game of these finals is tomoz night.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:38 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:

Obnoxious? There's 2 sides playing. When comparing the 2 teams game plan and personnel they both have strengths. You seem to look at the oppositions strengths, ignore ours and you shit yourself. We have too many strengths over them to lose. We will not go into the game half hearted, and did I mention both losses against Swans THIS year were in Sydney and this week its at the G with 65,000 Carlton supporters to motivate them as the 24th man.

Now what do you think?



obnoxious is saying we have them covered when we clearly don't and we haven't had them covered in many years, as our W/L record indicates.

they're the number one getting turnover team and the number one scoring from turnover team in the entire AFL; and we're the 15th ranked scoring from turnover team. and the 3rd highest giving up turnovers.

therefore if we turn it over, we will be eaten alive.

our strength is the contest. and the wet will help that, but more than the wet will be picking a team top heavy with pressure players - like we were forced to thru injury this season.


lol i'm not shitting myself, just like you're not fooling anyone with your loud bravado act that we just have to turn up and we'll smoke them.


fact is we played two seasons this year. one was slow, poor execution and very lacking of fundamental skills; the other was high pressure and fast.

can we play high pressure enough to the beat the ducks, if we pick a big, lumbering team that takes away from our run and carry? i can't wait to find out.


pies went big for tonight, when i wouldn't have ... lets see how they get on.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:47 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Its not just one post BV.
Hence why I asked the question but didn't respond to. You may have missed it.

Its the culmination of a lot of posts over the last week whilst I was away just reading gives the impression you don't want Harry.
So many stats presented to "prove" Harry is useless, telling us what he doesn't do, and he doesn't care, gets in Charlies way, doesn't have the heart, and so on.
Don't be offended. Its an assumption from my part. But, its a picture you draw with words.


You're in battle mode for the game obviously. :lol:
That's just more of the same.
I haven't said Harry doesn't care. I haven't said Harry is useless and I don't provide stats with an intention to prove it.
Harry cares. The torment he went through earlier in the season proves he cares a lot.
I said he can jump because he jumps all over Charlie. In context of stating he should be able to jump at the centre bounce as well. I can provide instances if you want of him jumping into and cleaning up Charlie on numerous occasions.

The stats I present are not intended to "prove Harry is useless". They are stats to add context to other selective Stats provided. Posters are telling us how many games we win with Harry in the team. They don't tell us how many we win without him.
They tell us Charlie kicks goals because Harry is getting his marks outside 50. They don't tell us Charlie gets more marks outside 50 than Harry.
They tell us Harry takes more marks down the line than anyone in the game. The reality is Max Gawn takes the most marks between the arcs. Do you know who is 2nd in the AFL? Charlie Curnow.
So read the context.
Nothing annoys me more than posters misrepresenting me. The theory that posters have some form of hate for players when they question their current value is nonsense. I would have thought you'd be the first to recognise that with your recent LOB exchanges.
I don't have any hate for Harry. He frustrates the hell out of me but I've stated numerous times that nothing would make me happier than to see him contribute significantly to our finals run.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:48 pm 
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GMCbris wrote:
Ok on a slightly different note...

I had a thought bubble just now.

I really want the camera to pan to the audience before the first bounce and pick out Nick Duigan, eating a subway :)

Last winning final and all

Sorry, on with the conversation



:lol: :thumbsup:


We should make him the sub....

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Crusader wrote:
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CK95 wrote:
I really want Fogarty to be selected. So important when we don't have the ball.

I rate Cunners but if it's a choice of the 2 my preference is Fogarty


Same. Fogarty is tougher and has been very effective when going into the middle.

He plays as a proper rover at the forward half stoppages.




I read that as proper raver & got all excited.

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