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Who should coach us next year?
Brad Scott 16%  16%  [ 16 ]
Michael Voss 20%  20%  [ 19 ]
Mark Williams 11%  11%  [ 11 ]
Don Pyke 22%  22%  [ 21 ]
Danny Daly 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Scott Burns 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Giansiracusa 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
Jaymie Graham 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Adam Kingsley 16%  16%  [ 16 ]
Adam Yze 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Nigel Lappin 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Jarrad Schofield 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Steven King 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 97
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:16 am 
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99prelim wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
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I come in peace and am a passionate carlton supporter like most of you that has suffered for a long long time. Just want this club to get back to being successful. This is some insight from a very close relation to a current player. Here is some of what I know from a players perspective:

- Discontent amongst the playing group of what has transpired this week particularly, is real
- Many of the players are close to Teague and didn’t want him to go. There are a couple of players that didn’t always see eye to eye but that happens at any club
-One former player and a couple of current players are currently not on good terms with the rest of the playing group. There is a small divide.
- Generally the players feel let down by the club for lack of support to themselves and Teague. Some of the new recruits couldn’t believe the lack of support around the coach and lack of development staff in comparison to where they came from.
- Teague went to the club to get more support in the box towards the end of last year but was denied and given the explanation that due to the current environment (COVID) restricted funds were available. He was left without a senior assistant once Barker left which didn’t sit well. The Worsfold thing was a gimmick, timed with the review for a bit of backside covering
- Players don’t have a good relationship with Liddle, they think he thinks he is above them and is extremely arrogant. The SOS situation did not go down well particularly as his son is one of the most loved amongst the playing group, and his own treatment from said exec has been appalling
- Many are worried about the pending decisions and uncertainty surrounding the club. The big thing and why I posted in this thread is, majority of the players don’t want Lyon, they feel that their games wont flourish under his game style. But they feel their opinions will not be heard.
- The coaching appointment will be a big decision point for many (I’m talking some of the bigger names). The next few weeks will be interesting leading into trade week.
- Culturally the place is a bit of a mess

Choose to take it all as you will. Over and out!

Firstly welcome (as long as your'e not Walsh's burner account). :grin:
Based on this and if it is true (sorry but I'm sceptical), I hope we get Lyon.
And if they don't like it, move them along as it's clearly what we need. A coach who expects results.
And if the playing group loved Teague so much, they have a funny way of showing it with half ass performances at an individual level across the team.
This post possibly confirms the culture of the tail wagging the dog, time for a change and bring in the heavy weights to do it.


Even more reason to get a "hard bastard" in. The players may have loved Teague the person, they played like they had NFI about Teague the coach. If they don't like it, they can rot away their contracts, their careers, their childhood dreams and their future prospects in the ressies
Enough is enough is enough is enough is enough

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The hugs, cuddles and hey buddy approach clearly wasn't working.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:19 am 
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Bluey44 wrote:
Let's bring teague back, shall we?
Just say it was all an honest mistake we thought we were getting clarko :grin:

I would really like to know how the "bring back Teague" ticket thinks this is going to work.
The whole premise of the EGM is a farce.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:33 am 
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Just quietly, this is exactly what happened when we hired Malthouse.

I stupidly bought into the coach needs to do it, and if the players dont like it they can F off.

Then the players F** off, and we were left with an uncompetitive mess of a team, whilst the coach was being outcoached by the new generation coaches who could pick apart his game plan blindfolded.


I think you sell the players short, they were genuinely playing for their coach, the JSOS to the ruck was a sign of just how short on players we were running by the end of the season.

We were the most competitive we have been in years over Teagues tenure. The north melbourne game was the first time I saw us uncompetitive, and with the sword of damocles hanging over the club, its no surprise that the wheels eventually fell off the Teague train.

Those sorts of scenarios are the ones that test what our club is made of and thus far, we are batting at 0-4 out of the last 4 coaches who didnt have a genuine reason (read the sanctions by the AFL for Pagan) for being as far behind as we were.

In the past I've gotten into a few to and fros with people over stuff with other posters, and I am not interested in getting into it again now, because I just have reached a point where I sort of dont care anymore (thanks to the way we run as a footy club).

I've gone from believing in what they are doing over the years, to believing it when I see some results, and I wont really be excited by any move we make, because I expect the next coach to be sacked in 3 years, with much of the playing list off sided in the process, because we have disunity and sooner or later, we are going to have to cut a few players loose who arent buying in, and that will include some genuine talent that we cant afford to lose (as it did last time).


Let' put your new found love of Malthouse into perspective then, to help with those biases.
Mick clearly has no issues with boards.

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Sacked podcast: Mick Malthouse reveals never before heard details about his Collingwood sacking

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/sacked-podcast-mick-malthouse-reveals-never-before-heard-details-about-his-collingwood-sacking/news-story/a6622ba66e1a5607e0007850c6b9148c

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Mick Malthouse sacked: Carlton terminates veteran coach’s contract after explosive radio interview

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/mick-malthouse-sacked-carlton-terminates-veteran-coachs-contract-after-explosive-radio-interview/news-story/0268f883ce7f163b3d46740c9390c3c8

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Mitch Robinson says replacing Brett Ratten with Mick Malthouse in 2012 'ruined' Carlton

https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/mitch-robinson-replacing-brett-ratten-mick-malthouse-ruined-carlton/fbf349c6-97f3-4d50-8c52-dcff3cc5ab4a

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Former Blue says Mick Malthouse was “there for the wrong reasons.”

https://www.zerohanger.com/former-blue-says-mick-malthouse-was-there-for-the-wrong-reasons-86061/


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 11:28 am 
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Malthouse's key selling point was his ability to work well with individuals even though they each required different styles.
Unfortunately, he wasn't able to effectively do this at Carlton - as he had done with the varying personalities at Collingwood. Probably because, his head/heart weren't really in it for the right reasons at Carlton.

When I lost faith in Teague - pretty late as I was a supporter up until half way through this year - was when I saw players running around not knowing where to go or what to do and clearly looking surprised when an opposition team got through us.

I think that whoever is feeling worried about the new coach, who 'loved Teague' will be happier once they are clear about their roles and what to do in different scenarios.

A whole bunch of unanswered questions; hopefully addressed in the review but even then difficult to prove:
Were we capable of much more but failed due to poor game plan or poorly drilled players?
Or were we a really crap team who kept close in most games due to a great plan and application?
Or are we really shit but kept in it due to the outstanding performances by a small core of great players?
Or were we held back because too much was left to too few??


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 12:23 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Spidaman wrote:
I come in peace and am a passionate carlton supporter like most of you that has suffered for a long long time. Just want this club to get back to being successful. This is some insight from a very close relation to a current player. Here is some of what I know from a players perspective:

- Discontent amongst the playing group of what has transpired this week particularly, is real
- Many of the players are close to Teague and didn’t want him to go. There are a couple of players that didn’t always see eye to eye but that happens at any club
-One former player and a couple of current players are currently not on good terms with the rest of the playing group. There is a small divide.
- Generally the players feel let down by the club for lack of support to themselves and Teague. Some of the new recruits couldn’t believe the lack of support around the coach and lack of development staff in comparison to where they came from.
- Teague went to the club to get more support in the box towards the end of last year but was denied and given the explanation that due to the current environment (COVID) restricted funds were available. He was left without a senior assistant once Barker left which didn’t sit well. The Worsfold thing was a gimmick, timed with the review for a bit of backside covering
- Players don’t have a good relationship with Liddle, they think he thinks he is above them and is extremely arrogant. The SOS situation did not go down well particularly as his son is one of the most loved amongst the playing group, and his own treatment from said exec has been appalling
- Many are worried about the pending decisions and uncertainty surrounding the club. The big thing and why I posted in this thread is, majority of the players don’t want Lyon, they feel that their games wont flourish under his game style. But they feel their opinions will not be heard.
- The coaching appointment will be a big decision point for many (I’m talking some of the bigger names). The next few weeks will be interesting leading into trade week.
- Culturally the place is a bit of a mess

Choose to take it all as you will. Over and out!

Firstly welcome (as long as your'e not Walsh's burner account). :grin:
Based on this and if it is true (sorry but I'm sceptical), I hope we get Lyon.
And if they don't like it, move them along as it's clearly what we need. A coach who expects results.
And if the playing group loved Teague so much, they have a funny way of showing it with half ass performances at an individual level across the team.
This post possibly confirms the culture of the tail wagging the dog, time for a change and bring in the heavy weights to do it.


Even more reason to get a "hard bastard" in. The players may have loved Teague the person, they played like they had NFI about Teague the coach. If they don't like it, they can rot away their contracts, their careers, their childhood dreams and their future prospects in the ressies
Enough is enough is enough is enough is enough


Had all sorts of coaches, including hard ones. Done nothing. Next coach has to work with the players to improve the culture, not just tell them, as it has to be player driven. Task no.1. Until then there's no finals, regular half ass efforts, unless we fluke one with 10 or 11 wins, which won't be long lasting. Review didn't look at that though, so the coach is just told to come here and make the finals, as happens at Carlton, which will lead to another sacking.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:22 pm 
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Task no.1. Until then there's no finals, regular half ass efforts, unless we fluke one with 10 or 11 wins, which won't be long lasting. Review didn't look at that though, so the coach is just told to come here and make the finals, as happens at Carlton, which will lead to another sacking.

You’ve read the whole thing?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:37 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
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Task no.1. Until then there's no finals, regular half ass efforts, unless we fluke one with 10 or 11 wins, which won't be long lasting. Review didn't look at that though, so the coach is just told to come here and make the finals, as happens at Carlton, which will lead to another sacking.

You’ve read the whole thing?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:36 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
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Task no.1. Until then there's no finals, regular half ass efforts, unless we fluke one with 10 or 11 wins, which won't be long lasting. Review didn't look at that though, so the coach is just told to come here and make the finals, as happens at Carlton, which will lead to another sacking.

You’ve read the whole thing?


I'm sure it would have been mentioned well and truly already. I'm sure we can all work that out, unless you don't want to. We got all the basic points and culture wasn't mentioned, you know, that thing that has hurt our club for 20 years that has killed 6 coaches. It would have been front and centre if considered a major issue. Some of us get that. Others, well no accounting for them.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:38 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
jim wrote:
Task no.1. Until then there's no finals, regular half ass efforts, unless we fluke one with 10 or 11 wins, which won't be long lasting. Review didn't look at that though, so the coach is just told to come here and make the finals, as happens at Carlton, which will lead to another sacking.

You’ve read the whole thing?


:clap:


What are you applauding for? Anything I've said incorrect? By having a clue you'd know that is right.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:07 pm 
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Good appointment by the Filth on McRae what is the bet they won't sack him after two years and try to build a team culture.

Something our mob just doesn't grasp.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:35 pm 
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jim wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
jim wrote:
Task no.1. Until then there's no finals, regular half ass efforts, unless we fluke one with 10 or 11 wins, which won't be long lasting. Review didn't look at that though, so the coach is just told to come here and make the finals, as happens at Carlton, which will lead to another sacking.

You’ve read the whole thing?


:clap:


What are you applauding for? Anything I've said incorrect? By having a clue you'd know that is right.


It's quite obvious. You're making comments on a review that you haven't read and have no idea what's in it.
i'm applauding because someone called it out.
But if you're channelling your inner Yuri Geller and using your psychic ability to read the report, you'd probably already know that as well. :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:39 pm 
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Good appointment by the Filth on McRae what is the bet they won't sack him after two years and try to build a team culture.

Something our mob just doesn't grasp.


Yep, a good appointment. McRae is a quality candidate. What's more, I'm sure he'll grasp the concept of integrating defence into his game strategies. That should increase his chances of retaining his job. Time will tell.

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jim wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
jim wrote:
Task no.1. Until then there's no finals, regular half ass efforts, unless we fluke one with 10 or 11 wins, which won't be long lasting. Review didn't look at that though, so the coach is just told to come here and make the finals, as happens at Carlton, which will lead to another sacking.

You’ve read the whole thing?


I'm sure it would have been mentioned well and truly already. I'm sure we can all work that out, unless you don't want to. We got all the basic points and culture wasn't mentioned, you know, that thing that has hurt our club for 20 years that has killed 6 coaches. It would have been front and centre if considered a major issue. Some of us get that. Others, well no accounting for them.


So….no?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:02 pm 
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Channel 7 news says that Brad Scott is also in the mix.


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Did anyone read Healys comments re: it was a private phone conversation, not sure why it's being blown up, not sure how it got out, etc

Do we assume the phone call was from Diesel?
And if so, is he suggesting that Diesel leaked?
Or that others on the board knew that diesel was going to call Healy, so they leaked it?
Or was Healy the leak to get attention for himself, and pretending to be upset?

Weird situation.


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Dear ABNS,

I’m pleased to inform you that the Board has confirmed the members of the coaching subcommittee that will lead the appointment of our AFL Senior Coach.

The Board met last night to ratify the six-person panel, which will include Football Director Greg Williams leading the process, alongside fellow Directors Tim Lincoln and Patty Kinnersly, three-time premiership coach David Parkin, CEO Cain Liddle and Head of Football Brad Lloyd.

Greg’s football credentials speak for themselves, having been associated with the elite level of the game for nearly 40 years, and boasting a list of achievements that are equal to the footy greats. Importantly, that extensive experience has given Greg a resolute understanding of what is required of a successful football club. He will be uncompromising in the standards we need to set and will work closely with the new Senior Coach to deliver on that.

Football experience is crucial to the make-up of this subcommittee, and Patty’s experience will be an invaluable benefit to this process. For 14 years Patty was dominant in the VWFL as a player, winning five Premierships and representing Victoria on 10 occasions during that time, twice as captain.

Tim brings with him unique and highly relevant experience in the field of data and analytics. He specialises in applying data and information and to ensure organisations are able to significantly enhance their decision making. It is an invaluable skillset and one our football club now has the ability to utilise from the outset during the selection of our AFL Senior Coach.

We also have the benefit of the expertise of one of most successful coaches in the history of our football club. David Parkin guided our club to three Premierships during his time as Senior Coach, and remains one of the most respected figures in the game. Few would understand the qualities required to succeed as a Senior Coach more than David, who is a welcome addition to the panel.

CEO Cain Liddle and Head of Football Brad Lloyd are delivering and implementing the necessary recommendations as outlined in the football department review. Their insight into the day-to-day management of the football department as well as its operations, will further enhance our selection of the candidate best suited to maximise the performance of our playing group to ensure it begins to deliver results at the elite level.

We will now allow this thorough and rigorous process to proceed with speed in a professional and orderly fashion. I will communicate with you directly, before speaking publicly, once the panel has made its final decision.

As always, thank you for your support of the Club and trust you and your families are keeping safe and well.

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Coaching subcommittee formally announced:

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1012163/

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kezza wrote:
Channel 7 news says that Brad Scott is also in the mix.

Please no!

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Wasn’t expecting Parko…good get!


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Parko is better than Healy, but I still would have preferred an ex-AFL coach from the past decade in there (eg. Buckley, Eade, Roos). Sheedy would have qualified under that criteria and made an interesting addition to the panel.

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