List Management 2016

jimmae · **Posted:** Fri May 20, 2016 3:13 pm

frank dardew wrote:

thanks for confirmation Jimmae but 22 playing tomorrow plus Kreuz buckley whiley casboult bokehurst Curnow jamo graham Phillips - makes 31 after Saturdays match and on the basis of Thursday night selection for round 9

Ah I see what you mean. Yes, it will be 31 if Gorringe plays.

frank dardew · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:38 pm **Posts:** 7640

no worries Jimmae

Chitty's Finger · **Posted:** Fri May 20, 2016 5:46 pm

marciblues wrote:

Not sure this needed clarification but we were 3rd oldest team last round but entered 2016 with the 10th oldest list

Obviously stacked with older blokes last week

Yes but is anyone over 28?

Effes · **Posted:** Fri May 20, 2016 7:42 pm

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/carlton ... public_rss

CARLTON says it will stay the course with its slow-burn list management build despite its dramatic rise up the ladder.

The Blues have strung together four exciting wins, but on current ladder position they would not have a top-10 pick later this year.

Carlton will not be seduced by its sudden improvement, aware it must stockpile multiple high picks from several more drafts before it can assemble a possible premiership list.

Cazzesman · **Posted:** Fri May 20, 2016 7:50 pm

I'm not sure where his contract is at but I would love us to have a crack at McStay from the Brisbane Lions.

Can play forward or back. Has some real talent. Turns 21 in mid June.

Regards Cazzesman

dadadadada · **Joined:** Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:24 pm **Posts:** 1354

Cazzesman wrote:

I'm not sure where his contract is at but I would love us to have a crack at McStay from the Brisbane Lions.

Can play forward or back. Has some real talent. Turns 21 in mid June.

Regards Cazzesman

I think his contract is up this year. Would be a very good acquisition.

jimmae · **Posted:** Sat May 21, 2016 11:31 am

Cazzesman wrote:

I'm not sure where his contract is at but I would love us to have a crack at McStay from the Brisbane Lions.

Can play forward or back. Has some real talent. Turns 21 in mid June.

Regards Cazzesman

He'd probably be one of the more expensive names on the U22 list of attainable players.

Effes wrote:

slow-burn list management build

kezza · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm **Posts:** 14986

Doesnt seem to be a lot of action in regards to player re-signings.
Anyone have a list of who is out of contract this year?

jimmae · **Posted:** Sat May 21, 2016 12:44 pm

kezza wrote:

Doesnt seem to be a lot of action in regards to player re-signings.
Anyone have a list of who is out of contract this year?

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toddkurnski · **Joined:** Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:27 am **Posts:** 3581

Hopefully follow the Hawthorn 2004-2005 draft strategy. Lots of high picks inside top 30. 2004 was great for them, followed with 2005 which was OK. Unfortunately we do not have the advantage of two Priority Picks so we have to be more creative (GWS four type) again. How can we conjure 3-4 picks inside the top 20 or 30 picks?

I like our strategy on banking salary cap space to land a Free Agent when the time is right. Will it coincide with GCS and GWS players being on the list for 8 years? The GWS salary squeeze will come and hopefully we have banked the cash to take advantage.

Ocker · **Joined:** Thu May 28, 2015 4:44 pm **Posts:** 25

Reckon the only players on our list with currency who we would consider trading out would be kreuzer, Gibbs, Everitt and casboult and I don't think any of them are likely to leave.

jimmae · **Posted:** Sat May 21, 2016 1:30 pm

What's wrong with picks in the 30-60 range (depending on the outgoing player)?

toddkurnski · **Joined:** Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:27 am **Posts:** 3581

jimmae wrote:

What's wrong with picks in the 30-60 range (depending on the outgoing player)?

Because you might miss out on a guy like Birchall. I think Hawthorn just played a numbers game. They had a lot of busts with their tall players but they drafted enough such that they were more likely to succeed. Its pretty hard to get good talls that late in the draft.

Should get Adelaide's talent scout for talls. They have had more drafted and leave the club than we have had actually play 100 games for us.

Just as an example. If you trade a player like Tuohy for a pick, think you can cover his output with another player on your list get a pick inside twenty for a tall back or forward do you have a crack at it. Look at the risks and downsides to it and weigh them up.

jimmae · **Posted:** Sat May 21, 2016 3:28 pm

I'm not talking about divesting from the first round, I'm talking about what's good value for a given trade for a given draft.

This is supposedly a good draft, so we shouldn't expect to get heavily involved in securing extra first and second round picks without giving up some quality (and the scuttlebutt is that we don't expect to be as active).

What we might be able to do is get some picks after 30 that will deliver some quality, while giving up short term options such as White and Graham.

If the draft pool delivers on initial expectations come October, I expect the club to be interested in more than just top 30 picks given we need to work on our list depth and long-term plans for our midfield.

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

I challenge someone to prosecute the case that SOS isn't a good judge of AFL level young talent because my uneducated observation is he's done well at GWS and Carlton so far.

toddkurnski · **Joined:** Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:27 am **Posts:** 3581

jimmae wrote:

I'm not talking about divesting from the first round

Who is? Outside of one player who has played 6 games, is there another tall on the list who isn't untried, constantly injured, inconsistent or too old.

We already have the dogs 3rd round pick, you could trade out another player for a similar pick. I still think it's still very difficult to get talls at those picks.

Between 30-60 nothing in 2003 (Zac Dawson?), 2004, 2005, 2008, 2010 (Tom Lynch and Darling the only two talls in our 'talls draft' that succeeded, boy did we pick the wrong year), 2011, 2012. After that probably too early to tell.
2006 Draft
29 Eric MacKenzie West Coast Eagles
32 Kurt Tippett Adelaide Crows
Close to what you are saying but still second round selections
71 Justin Westhoff Port Adelaide

2007 Draft
37 Scott Thompson Kangaroos
54 Cale Hooker Essendon*

2009
38 Sam Reid Sydney Swans

Strike rate in that zone for talls is pretty low over that decade. That was just a quick scan so maybe there are more...

ryan2000 · **Posted:** Sat May 21, 2016 5:07 pm

Would love to pick up Caleb Marchbank from the GWS.......... but we'd have to give up something big you'd reckon.

But he's a rebounding defender who could well be a handy replacement for Simmo when he retires.

billc3 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:41 pm **Posts:** 4627

ryan2000 wrote:

Would love to pick up Caleb Marchbank from the GWS.......... but we'd have to give up something big you'd reckon.

But he's a rebounding defender who could well be a handy replacement for Simmo when he retires.

Docherty not good enough?...Byrne also? Simmo will be hard to replace, but we're on our way . Hawks strategy was to pick players tgat fitted how the team would play...we'll do the same....AT LAST.

ryan2000 · **Posted:** Sat May 21, 2016 6:42 pm

billc3 wrote:

ryan2000 wrote:

Would love to pick up Caleb Marchbank from the GWS.......... but we'd have to give up something big you'd reckon.

But he's a rebounding defender who could well be a handy replacement for Simmo when he retires.

Docherty not good enough?...Byrne also? Simmo will be hard to replace, but we're on our way . Hawks strategy was to pick players tgat fitted how the team would play...we'll do the same....AT LAST.

Never said Docherty wasn't good enough. In fact, he's probably my choice for B&F as it stands right now.

Pafloyul · **Joined:** Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:15 pm **Posts:** 4842

billc3 wrote:

ryan2000 wrote:

Would love to pick up Caleb Marchbank from the GWS.......... but we'd have to give up something big you'd reckon.

But he's a rebounding defender who could well be a handy replacement for Simmo when he retires.

Docherty not good enough?...Byrne also? Simmo will be hard to replace, but we're on our way . Hawks strategy was to pick players tgat fitted how the team would play...we'll do the same....AT LAST.

Not the same kind of players. Marchbank can play on marking type players, given his height.

Anyway; our strategy was to pick utilities, who had a fair reputation, who nevertheless had other clubs already pass on them in the early rounds. We tried to turn the second best available medium and small sized utilities into KPPs and midfielders, and we were in a hurry to fit them into the side as well. It's not so much picking players to suit the team as it is picking players to suit the AFL.

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