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I havent said a bad word about Stephen Kernahan or the Board because I had a sneaky belief that he was buiding up something special in our 150th Anniversary year.

He's had a decade to get to the pointy end in 2014. You know...the big rebuild Elliot denied was a Carlton thing.

No @#$%&! excuse.

Gibbs contract discussion and Kernahan's list have all the focus of the media in our most impotant year for along time....not our envious history and great achievements, let alone players.

I cant believe Kerna hasnt been able to sign up his mates son (Gibbs) to a contract prior to the big Anniversary. The same son who is committed to being a one club player. I cant believe he hasnt been able to build a Top 4 list after all the no 1 picks, no 2 picks and tope 10 picks let alone a plethora of 2nd and 3rd rounders.

My 6 yo and 10 yo cant believe that Peter Bosustow hasnt made the list of 150 greatest.
My kids love Carlton but cant believe we havent won a game in our important year.

I could go on....I feel for my kids...they are a bit oblivious to the media and social media negativity towards our once great club...they saw 360 last night...enough is enough....the kids are hurting...whilst the players play bruise free footy.

Oh wait, but this week Murphy says the players are going to be aggressive against a bottom team with kids. My 6 yo says that should be an easy win for us. What if we lose?

The club will bully the baby demons and think all is rosy again. Bullies is all I can think of them. Bullies. They want to TRY against the Demons.

Pathetic to be honest. How low have we come?

Thanks Stephen Kernahan.....the buck finishes with you. You havent got a win on the board since you wwere President...who cares about Elimination finals we should have won, and one we shouldnt have even been playing in.

This team off and on field are the ost overated hopeless bunch of Gen Y woosies I have ever seen since 1968.

My family will NOT spend another cent on this club of Toffs till we become a bonafide Top 4 team. We've sponsored them through the dark decade and enough is enough...what a waste of money.

Yep, me too. I never say anything bad about Kernahan. After all, he was a great player, the third best captain we've had, the third best CHF, the third best FF, and the worst flower president. But he did have a great mullet, I'll give him that. And he loves a beer - good on him. And it's not like he's ever tried to kill anyone. Means well. Nah, you'll never find me bagging him.


...sticks could sing too...

So you rank Sticks above Spaulding as a CHF and Warren Ralph as a FF?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:19 pm 
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I would take Spalding anyday over Kernahan, IF spalding was taking marks we would always win


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:28 pm 
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Either we change or we snuggle up to ineptitude.

The board has to go. They made the call to knife Ratten when he was getting the maximum from the list.

Get used to this fans. Its the new carlton


it's not the new Carlton, it now is Carlton, been that way for a while

don't be surprised if we don't win a premiership for at least another 10 years

that will be 30 years before a premiership, that is mind boggling

oh well, at least my youth was peppered with premierships


I said last week that it would be ten years till our next flag - so I agree

We need to rebuild. Trade anyone worth anything and get on the draft bandwagon - but with a new recruitment team (S.O.S. for SOS)


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:32 pm 
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Salsiccia wrote:
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Either we change or we snuggle up to ineptitude.

The board has to go. They made the call to knife Ratten when he was getting the maximum from the list.

Get used to this fans. Its the new carlton


it's not the new Carlton, it now is Carlton, been that way for a while

don't be surprised if we don't win a premiership for at least another 10 years

that will be 30 years before a premiership, that is mind boggling

oh well, at least my youth was peppered with premierships


I said last week that it would be ten years till our next flag - so I agree

We need to rebuild. Trade anyone worth anything and get on the draft bandwagon - but with a new recruitment team (S.O.S. for SOS)


so the solution is another carlton person???

the other point is the free agency rules which will be further enhanced - we need to get on board ALL the bandwagons

(and I am big fan of SOS btw)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:38 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
I havent said a bad word about Stephen Kernahan or the Board because I had a sneaky belief that he was buiding up something special in our 150th Anniversary year.

He's had a decade to get to the pointy end in 2014. You know...the big rebuild Elliot denied was a Carlton thing.

No @#$%&! excuse.

Gibbs contract discussion and Kernahan's list have all the focus of the media in our most impotant year for along time....not our envious history and great achievements, let alone players.

I cant believe Kerna hasnt been able to sign up his mates son (Gibbs) to a contract prior to the big Anniversary. The same son who is committed to being a one club player. I cant believe he hasnt been able to build a Top 4 list after all the no 1 picks, no 2 picks and tope 10 picks let alone a plethora of 2nd and 3rd rounders.

My 6 yo and 10 yo cant believe that Peter Bosustow hasnt made the list of 150 greatest.
My kids love Carlton but cant believe we havent won a game in our important year.

I could go on....I feel for my kids...they are a bit oblivious to the media and social media negativity towards our once great club...they saw 360 last night...enough is enough....the kids are hurting...whilst the players play bruise free footy.

Oh wait, but this week Murphy says the players are going to be aggressive against a bottom team with kids. My 6 yo says that should be an easy win for us. What if we lose?

The club will bully the baby demons and think all is rosy again. Bullies is all I can think of them. Bullies. They want to TRY against the Demons.

Pathetic to be honest. How low have we come?

Thanks Stephen Kernahan.....the buck finishes with you. You havent got a win on the board since you wwere President...who cares about Elimination finals we should have won, and one we shouldnt have even been playing in.

This team off and on field are the ost overated hopeless bunch of Gen Y woosies I have ever seen since 1968.

My family will NOT spend another cent on this club of Toffs till we become a bonafide Top 4 team. We've sponsored them through the dark decade and enough is enough...what a waste of money.
I hear you brother. I've been tipping in my cash since Elliott left. Not to mention the emotional investment. Shag this I say. Sick of watching these tools pull a wage from our membership to be delivered this poo on a plate.

Stiff doo doo's if we play hard against the dees - yet to see it tho. Its weeks too late Murph. The horse has bolted. The milk is spilt. The stable door is open.

Too f'ing late boys - by several years actually!!


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:40 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
Salsiccia wrote:
WOW wrote:
Salsiccia wrote:
Either we change or we snuggle up to ineptitude.

The board has to go. They made the call to knife Ratten when he was getting the maximum from the list.

Get used to this fans. Its the new carlton


it's not the new Carlton, it now is Carlton, been that way for a while

don't be surprised if we don't win a premiership for at least another 10 years

that will be 30 years before a premiership, that is mind boggling

oh well, at least my youth was peppered with premierships


I said last week that it would be ten years till our next flag - so I agree

We need to rebuild. Trade anyone worth anything and get on the draft bandwagon - but with a new recruitment team (S.O.S. for SOS)


so the solution is another carlton person???

the other point is the free agency rules which will be further enhanced - we need to get on board ALL the bandwagons

(and I am big fan of SOS btw)


SOS has done an awesome job with GWS. It is the result I like not the team he played with.

Who isn't a fan of SOS?
:wink:


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:37 am 
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Salsiccia wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Salsiccia wrote:
WOW wrote:
Salsiccia wrote:
Either we change or we snuggle up to ineptitude.

The board has to go. They made the call to knife Ratten when he was getting the maximum from the list.

Get used to this fans. Its the new carlton


it's not the new Carlton, it now is Carlton, been that way for a while

don't be surprised if we don't win a premiership for at least another 10 years

that will be 30 years before a premiership, that is mind boggling

oh well, at least my youth was peppered with premierships


I said last week that it would be ten years till our next flag - so I agree

We need to rebuild. Trade anyone worth anything and get on the draft bandwagon - but with a new recruitment team (S.O.S. for SOS)


so the solution is another carlton person???

the other point is the free agency rules which will be further enhanced - we need to get on board ALL the bandwagons

(and I am big fan of SOS btw)


SOS has done an awesome job with GWS. It is the result I like not the team he played with.

Who isn't a fan of SOS?
:wink:

should brad pierce be considered for a major role around the club?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:19 am 
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I'm no under age football watcher, but has SOS really done that great a job? Obviously GWS will be a powerhouse but he was gifted more concessions than one-legged orphan with a speech impediment.

I'd prefer someone from Geelong or Hawthorn.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:22 am 
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Franc de Borges wrote:
I'm no under age football watcher, but has SOS really done that great a job? Obviously GWS will be a powerhouse but he was gifted more concessions than one-legged orphan with a speech impediment.

I'd prefer someone from Geelong or Hawthorn.


1st good post you've made!

You're beating me!

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Synbad wrote:
Salsiccia wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Salsiccia wrote:
WOW wrote:
[quote="Salsiccia"]Either we change or we snuggle up to ineptitude.

The board has to go. They made the call to knife Ratten when he was getting the maximum from the list.

Get used to this fans. Its the new carlton


it's not the new Carlton, it now is Carlton, been that way for a while

don't be surprised if we don't win a premiership for at least another 10 years

that will be 30 years before a premiership, that is mind boggling

oh well, at least my youth was peppered with premierships


I said last week that it would be ten years till our next flag - so I agree

We need to rebuild. Trade anyone worth anything and get on the draft bandwagon - but with a new recruitment team (S.O.S. for SOS)


so the solution is another carlton person???

the other point is the free agency rules which will be further enhanced - we need to get on board ALL the bandwagons

(and I am big fan of SOS btw)


SOS has done an awesome job with GWS. It is the result I like not the team he played with.

Who isn't a fan of SOS?
:wink:

should brad pierce be considered for a major role around the club?[/quote]

He's got a pretty major role at the Hi Fi Bar already. That joint goes OK.

Fk it. Make him president. At least we'd get some decent bands to play at our B&F.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:55 pm 
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Saw an interview with English football Legend Kevin Keegan, and he said something htat got me thinking...
He was talking about leadership, and the importance of leaders and senior figures around Clubs, and how important good solid Leadership is to success and to assisting youngsters coming through the ranks.
He said every Club needs that senior bloke who wouldn't be afraid to put a youngster into place, like give him a verbal or physical clip, and let him know the standards expected around the Club.
This got me thinking...... I cant imagine any of the so called 'Leaders' from around our Club over the past 10 or so years that would / would ve done this.
We used to have Leaders throughout the team back in the day... These days, you d struggle to find another player apart from maybe Juddy or Carrots, who'd let the youngers know what's expected at Carlton.

How sad we ve become....

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Dominator_7 wrote:
Saw an interview with English football Legend Kevin Keegan, and he said something htat got me thinking...
He was talking about leadership, and the importance of leaders and senior figures around Clubs, and how important good solid Leadership is to success and to assisting youngsters coming through the ranks.
He said every Club needs that senior bloke who wouldn't be afraid to put a youngster into place, like give him a verbal or physical clip, and let him know the standards expected around the Club.
This got me thinking...... I cant imagine any of the so called 'Leaders' from around our Club over the past 10 or so years that would / would ve done this.
We used to have Leaders throughout the team back in the day... These days, you d struggle to find another player apart from maybe Juddy or Carrots, who'd let the youngers know what's expected at Carlton.

How sad we ve become....

Think of ryan O'Keefe and buddy.
Who do we have that would have told buddy to pull his head in?
Who do we have that would tell Judd Murphy and Gibbs to run defensively?
Nobody.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:11 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Dominator_7 wrote:
Saw an interview with English football Legend Kevin Keegan, and he said something htat got me thinking...
He was talking about leadership, and the importance of leaders and senior figures around Clubs, and how important good solid Leadership is to success and to assisting youngsters coming through the ranks.
He said every Club needs that senior bloke who wouldn't be afraid to put a youngster into place, like give him a verbal or physical clip, and let him know the standards expected around the Club.
This got me thinking...... I cant imagine any of the so called 'Leaders' from around our Club over the past 10 or so years that would / would ve done this.
We used to have Leaders throughout the team back in the day... These days, you d struggle to find another player apart from maybe Juddy or Carrots, who'd let the youngers know what's expected at Carlton.

How sad we ve become....

Think of ryan O'Keefe and buddy.
Who do we have that would have told buddy to pull his head in?
Who do we have that would tell Judd Murphy and Gibbs to run defensively?
Nobody.


Precisely Mr S, that would require an honest and strong leadership group. Absent since 2004. The reason why Fev isn't still playing and on more career goals than Sticks and soapy valence...

Remember Morton, who crossed over from the tigers to the swans in 2012?
He spent most of the year in the reserves. I recall a swans player being interviewed on radio towards the end of the 2012 home and away season, I think it was Bolton or O'Keefe. They asked him about why Morton isn't in the senior team, seeing as he kicked 8 goals the week before, and about 6 goals before that.

He replied "we have made it clear to Morton that it's not just a matter of kicking goals, we know he can kick goals, he needs to get other aspects of his defensive game right"

What happened in the finals? Morton played his role, kicked those 2 crucial goals in the second quarter against the hawks in the GF, and even put pressure on in the last quarter that resulted in that goal to Keiren Jack. The most important goal in that final term that caused the hawks to shit themselves and Lose.

It was no fluke with Morton. The swans had put in the work and were honest and hard with him during the year.

We haven't done that at the blues since Brittain was coach with players like adam white (arguable whether that worked anyway).

Pagan tried to do it, but strangely chose Kouta to slaughter in front of the playing group and had to apologise to him a few days later....

In any case, these things just need to be sorted out by the playing group and leadership group, not the coaches.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:14 am 
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For me, nothing says ineptitude of the last 20 years like The Champions of Carlton list.

Looking back on those players from the last 20 years that are included, it is hard not to make the assumption that the admission cost for greatness at this club has taken a hefty discount -- more here http://www.footyalmanac.com.au/the-peoples-elbow-buzz-cut-how-the-champions-of-carlton-missed-the-mark/


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People's Elbow wrote:
For me, nothing says ineptitude of the last 20 years like The Champions of Carlton list.

Looking back on those players from the last 20 years that are included, it is hard not to make the assumption that the admission cost for greatness at this club has taken a hefty discount -- more here http://www.footyalmanac.com.au/the-peoples-elbow-buzz-cut-how-the-champions-of-carlton-missed-the-mark/


Can you think of another club's top 150 list that can match ours?

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Cretylus wrote:
People's Elbow wrote:
For me, nothing says ineptitude of the last 20 years like The Champions of Carlton list.

Looking back on those players from the last 20 years that are included, it is hard not to make the assumption that the admission cost for greatness at this club has taken a hefty discount -- more here http://www.footyalmanac.com.au/the-peoples-elbow-buzz-cut-how-the-champions-of-carlton-missed-the-mark/


Can you think of another club's top 150 list that can match ours?


Don't know that I can, but it's not by virtue of anyone (barring C.Judd) since the turn of the Century...


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People's Elbow wrote:
For me, nothing says ineptitude of the last 20 years like The Champions of Carlton list.

Looking back on those players from the last 20 years that are included, it is hard not to make the assumption that the admission cost for greatness at this club has taken a hefty discount -- more here http://www.footyalmanac.com.au/the-peoples-elbow-buzz-cut-how-the-champions-of-carlton-missed-the-mark/

love your stuff!!! :thumbsup:

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People's Elbow wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
People's Elbow wrote:
For me, nothing says ineptitude of the last 20 years like The Champions of Carlton list.

Looking back on those players from the last 20 years that are included, it is hard not to make the assumption that the admission cost for greatness at this club has taken a hefty discount -- more here http://www.footyalmanac.com.au/the-peoples-elbow-buzz-cut-how-the-champions-of-carlton-missed-the-mark/


Can you think of another club's top 150 list that can match ours?


Don't know that I can, but it's not by virtue of anyone (barring C.Judd) since the turn of the Century...

By not having a decent representation from this current group would be admitting they [REDACTED] everything up this past decade.

How is Gibbs (I wanna go home) ahead of the Buzz? :screwy:

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Young Al Eskander very,very keen to jooin the board im hearing.Dunno whether thats good or bad.Just sayin'.

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People's Elbow wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
People's Elbow wrote:
For me, nothing says ineptitude of the last 20 years like The Champions of Carlton list.

Looking back on those players from the last 20 years that are included, it is hard not to make the assumption that the admission cost for greatness at this club has taken a hefty discount -- more here http://www.footyalmanac.com.au/the-peoples-elbow-buzz-cut-how-the-champions-of-carlton-missed-the-mark/


Can you think of another club's top 150 list that can match ours?


Don't know that I can, but it's not by virtue of anyone (barring C.Judd) since the turn of the Century...


The certainly ticked a lot of boxes between 1960 and 2000 or so.

We have certainly been blessed with some of the greatest players to have played the game.

(I would rank fev as our best player from about 2003 onwards, true match winner in poorly skilled teams that kicked the ball all over the place to him. Imagine diesel, Bradley, Johnston, harmes, Doull etc feeding fev on the lead? Sticks was very lucky to have that elite service for most of his career)

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