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I think there is more chance of peace and unity in the Middle East.

How many chances does a player deserve before you bite the bullet and make a stand, for the betterment of the long term future of the club?


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ryan2000 wrote:
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who do we need an excuse to sack him?


He wont go away!

I am starting to have nightmares.........


i did have a dream with pagan in it last night... this is truly flower-ing with me.


At least you two are getting to the dream stage.........................i can't even get to sleep thinking about the bastard!


Just count Fevs jumping over fences until you drift away....

1 Jumping Fev..AH..AH..AH....2 jumping Fevs...ah..ah..ah...3 Jumping Fevs AH...AH...AH

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Can you imagine this forum if Fev ends up on the Footy Show this Thursday night :lol:


I can guess he wont be playing for the CFC again if that happens


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Still think that DP should've been sacked yesterday while at the same time quietly dealing with Fev with the same ultimatum, but inhouse and publicly stating an injury.

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Im not saying what he did on the weekend was positive and support it but suspending him before we play the bottom of the ladder Demons is a bit wrong.

I would suggest they should of done this, sat down and had a mutual one on one meeting, discussing the issues, and highlight the consequences if he breaks them. I bet you they dont know what Fev is thinking at all cos he didnt speak at the meeting!!. Instead they suspend him and now Carlton will lose on the weekend.

Well done on the people management.


I would suggest that coaches, MC members, CEOs, players have all sat Fev down and discusses the issues. He has had more last chances than anyone. But we repeatedly return to this situation. It hasnt worked.
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How do you know? This could be the first serious meeting Fev has probably had.

The rest has probably been a couple min convo with Fev at training.

Do you have inside information?

Like l said l dont actually know what all the hype is about. Scott West gave 50m penalty away and all the commentators were saying bench him, but Eade left him on the ground.


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There has been emails and SMSs going around that Fev had a punch on with one of the assistant coaches after being told he wasnt working hard enough and that he and Jarrod Waite had a blue about Waite being given the captaincy.

I can say with almost certainty that its crap and if someione sends it to you tell them so. A very good friend of mine speaks to said coach regularly and he told him its crap. There has been words spoken from all coaches to Fev. Fev was upset about not getting the captaincy but there was no blue with Waite.

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I wish my employer gave me a week off with pay :)

Good people management would have Fev playing this week. No people management means fev has a week off.

Basically it will be Fev goes or Pagan goes

Isn't it amazing 6 other clubs are already interested in Fev, l wonder why :)


Your employee would sack you if your doing a bad job continually. AFL players get so much special treatment it isn't funny, they are some protected species that needs to be managed in a special way.

His job is simple to play football and give 100%

Fev isn't a baby when asked several time why do you sometimes loose focus on the field why does it seem like your not trying. His answer is normally I don't know why Denis tells me to play like this and I do that.

The guy owns his own business running a restaurants I will hate to see how his staff act and how he deals with people its time he grows up.

We all love Fev Unfortunately Carlton comes first the faster he realizes that the better.

The Club is bigger then any player.


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I wish my employer gave me a week off with pay :)

Good people management would have Fev playing this week. No people management means fev has a week off.

Basically it will be Fev goes or Pagan goes

Isn't it amazing 6 other clubs are already interested in Fev, l wonder why :)


The best people manager in the world isn't going to have Fev playing this week IF Fev doesn't want to be here. You think Richard Pratt wouldn't be in his ear if we were really that desperate to keep him?

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Poor Fev, by the sounds of it ,he was just having a latenight playing a game of Texas Holdem by reports

His manager says he wasn't drinking.

I don't see any issue with a player having a life outside football. He might have lost a bit of sleep, but AFL players probably dont get up till 10am anyway, so probably still got his 7-8hours sleep.

Andy Roddick, Michael Jordan and heaps of other sports people gamble, oh hangon, i forgot this is the AFL and they can't have a life, they have to be tucked in bed by 10pm with their teddy bears. Thats due to them being role models and all kids look up to them, yeah right, the only role models should be your parents.

If he didnt give away two 50m penalties then there would be no relation to thurs night and he wouldnt be suspended

I hope Fev comes back, pulls his head in and sticks it up all you guys talking about trading him.

You don't lose a key forward because the coach is a twit and cant manage him. A new coach will come in and manage him properly.

Once Fev is gone you will be wishing we still had him, l guarantee that


If only life really was as simplistic as you make it out to be...

1. Not all of us have two parents, but that's by the by. I take your point about role models, but happen to disagree with it.
2. How do you know it was only the coach who decided on this suspension. What if some of the players had a say, sack them all as well? The board? Swann? Get rid of anyone who made this decision, is that it?
3. Parkin and Brittain are also twits I assume.

If Fevola is upsetting team balance and not doing the right thing by the team then why shouldn't he be held accountable? These issues have been prevalent for most of Fev's football career, they didn't just magically appear after two 50m penalties last weekend. Life's not as simple as being tucked in bed with your teddy bear. I thought you knew that.

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The whole thing has been handled badly. They held a press conference to tell everyone Fev has been suspended due to his performance on Saturday and a couple other unknown things that they didnt devulge. I never heard of a club suspending a player, and calling a press conference about it.

All l got from it, is Pagan can't manage his players and isn't it apparent that after 2 games of losing by a total of 180pts, pagan has turned the focus onto Fev?

Instead of having a closed door meeting and discussing the issue with Fev, Pagan and Swann have given Fev an altimatum. Fev didn't apparently speak in the meeting. Now is that management? Dictating to a player terms n conditions? Rather then getting his thoughts about the issue?

Pagan should be sacked on the basis he has done nothing with the club in the regular season, no management skills and by the way Fev is acting, hes lost respect for the coach, as do most Carlton Members.

Get rid of Pagan and every one is happy. Carlton need a new coach and fresh gameplan.

If you don't change what your doing, then your going to keep getting what your getting till you change it.


Fev was actually given the opportunity to respond at the meeting however he declined. It was mentioned on SEN


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4thchicken wrote:
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Poor Fev, by the sounds of it ,he was just having a latenight playing a game of Texas Holdem by reports



Fev was actually given the opportunity to respond at the meeting however he declined. It was mentioned on SEN


My point exactly - People Management skills - None

Unless there was someone in that meeting then you don't know how it went. DP and Swann probably would of dictated the rules like AFL to Ben Cousins and sometimes its best to say nothing at all.


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..lookit, it's all very simple.. ..IF fev can get his head right, he'll stay with us and will play accordingly and we'll all be happy.. ..i doubt anyone wants him to leave the club if he wants to play for us in a professional manner.. ..but, if he wants to a drongo, it's a shame but he has to go.. ..if he turns it around for another club, good luck to them..but don't think he coulda done the same for us cos he's had numerous opportunities already.. ..he lacks discipline in his life, obviously both on and off field.. ..the really dissappointing aspect of him is that he can be so good, but lacks sufficient willpower to even carry through with his own convictions.. ..he lacks commitment.. ..we'll hope for the best, but with fev it's a 50/50 porposition at best..

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Whether Brendan stays or goes is I believe, a moot point. What I am delighted with , is the strength of conviction shown by the club over the past 24 hours. It's been along time coming.
The main thing to come out of yesterdays is that Greg Swann, in one foul swoop restored the club's self respect and credibility.
No longer will we accept anything less than total commitment. Personally I would love to see BF knuckle down and produce the form we know he is capable of in a Carlton guernsey. But if that's not to be then we move on.
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mjonc wrote:
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I wish my employer gave me a week off with pay :)

Good people management would have Fev playing this week. No people management means fev has a week off.

Basically it will be Fev goes or Pagan goes

Isn't it amazing 6 other clubs are already interested in Fev, l wonder why :)


The best people manager in the world isn't going to have Fev playing this week IF Fev doesn't want to be here. You think Richard Pratt wouldn't be in his ear if we were really that desperate to keep him?


Well the way Swann was in that press conference you could imagine they started that meeting straight to the point and Fev was on the back foot and probably didnt wanna say what he really wanted to say.

How gutless that Pagan had to bring in the CEO to fight his battles. That shows me that Pagan doesnt deserve to be the coach of Carlton anymore.


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I wish my employer gave me a week off with pay :)

Good people management would have Fev playing this week. No people management means fev has a week off.

Basically it will be Fev goes or Pagan goes

Isn't it amazing 6 other clubs are already interested in Fev, l wonder why :)


The best people manager in the world isn't going to have Fev playing this week IF Fev doesn't want to be here. You think Richard Pratt wouldn't be in his ear if we were really that desperate to keep him?


Well the way Swann was in that press conference you could imagine they started that meeting straight to the point and Fev was on the back foot and probably didnt wanna say what he really wanted to say.

How gutless that Pagan had to bring in the CEO to fight his battles. That shows me that Pagan doesnt deserve to be the coach of Carlton anymore.


The DP issue and Fev issues are two seperate things.

Don't blame Pagan for Fev's crap becuase it suits your argument.

At some point in his 26 years, Fev has to start taking responsibility for his own actions.

Swann was in the box on Saturday and would have seen first hand the crap that was going on and he would have also seen Pagan not speak to Fev after he was dragged because Fev didn't want to speak to the coach.

If you give away a 100 metre penalty you can be reasonably assured that the coach will want to have a chat with you.

Pagan has a great many negatives against his name but his support of Fev over the years has been more than generous.

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Now we are comparing him to Michael Jordan.

Soon he'll be Mahatma Ghandi, Jesus Christ and the prophet Muhammad rolled into one.

Get some perspective. The more people tell Fev he;s avictim, the more likely he is to dish up the crap he did on Saturday.

I think a lot of people are still missing the point


I compare him to david koresh :)


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4thchicken wrote:
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Now we are comparing him to Michael Jordan.

Soon he'll be Mahatma Ghandi, Jesus Christ and the prophet Muhammad rolled into one.

Get some perspective. The more people tell Fev he;s avictim, the more likely he is to dish up the crap he did on Saturday.

I think a lot of people are still missing the point


I compare him to david koresh :)


Fev actually reminds me a bit of Shane Warne....I'm not kidding :shock:

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Compare the strength and surity with which the Club has handled this situation to the way the club fumbled through the handling of Fev's antics in Ireland and before that, his 0 kicks 0 marks 0 handballs (and resulted outburst) game against St Kilda in '05.

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Goltzenberg wrote:
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Poor Fev, by the sounds of it ,he was just having a latenight playing a game of Texas Holdem by reports



Fev was actually given the opportunity to respond at the meeting however he declined. It was mentioned on SEN


My point exactly - People Management skills - None

Unless there was someone in that meeting then you don't know how it went. DP and Swann probably would of dictated the rules like AFL to Ben Cousins and sometimes its best to say nothing at all.


:lol: :lol:

That just about sums up all your posts on the issue.

On the one hand you suggest that..."unless you were there then you don't know".

On the hand you suggest that....."DP and Swann probably would have dictated".

You weren't there but you are prepared to say what took place.

You are sadly mistaken about the entire issue and simply can't and or won't see the forest for the trees owing to your dislike of DP as the current coach.

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There has been emails and SMSs going around that Fev had a punch on with one of the assistant coaches after being told he wasnt working hard enough and that he and Jarrod Waite had a blue about Waite being given the captaincy.

I can say with almost certainty that its crap and if someione sends it to you tell them so. A very good friend of mine speaks to said coach regularly and he told him its crap. There has been words spoken from all coaches to Fev. Fev was upset about not getting the captaincy but there was no blue with Waite.


Brilliant how the club has handled this. :lol: Call a media conference, suspend a player without giving too much away and then let the speculation begin. Great work Swan.

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