On fire Blue Vain

can we start the sakc / retire madhouse thread yet

I would say retire gracefully, but this won't be graceful. This will be like Billy Brownless jumping off the 10m diving board.

I really hope we get flogged by Saints and Pies if it means we have a new coach round 6. The bringing of the wife into the equation is the final straw. This is the perfect example of a guy saying anything to keep his job. He gets paid more than Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey and they get smashed 10 times worse in the media. Out of the 3, who has delivered more? All hanging on to their jobs by a smidge all need to go. One thing in common is that there are fools out there that believe they are the right people for the job and still there.

CFC board - 'Board of Fools' if they keep him beyond round 5.

Please don't ask that question.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

He went to the board in the middle of 2013 and gave them a frank assessment of the playing list & told them they needed mass change. The previous regimes didn't do it This rebuild phase started 2 years ago with Malthouses' honest action of delisting 10 players post 2013 and another 12 post 2014. The difference between Malthouse and the football people I suspect you like is that his honesty is reflected in action not talk. You are at risk of falling for a coach who tells you what you want to hear

Put forward the recruitment of Thomas endlessly as your justification for Malthouse's lack of coaching ability but when you do so list out the 15 draft busts made before he arrived and make sure you add Everitt, Docherty, Jacksch, Wiley, Wood, Byrne, Sheehan, Menzel, Cripps and try to argue that Malthouse era has not delivered our best recruiting in 15 years

is that the year after we made the finals and thumped richmond
the year micky got rid of dead wood, recruited for success an drafted for the future
the year head hunted his love child because we were primed for a tilt at the cup
that is the year isn't it

And you can substantiate the rumour how?
No, just as I thought, more guess work. The only realities are the quoted comments you blindly dismissed.
Let's stick to reality.
Next.

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I feel like Mick is the new Jordan Russell.

Our head of football wasn't prepared to pay overs for Betts & couldn't fit him into the salary cap? Malthouse's fault.

Robinson and Garlett were stupid flogs who pissed off the President? Malthouse's fault.

A former All Australian and premiership winning recruit that the head of football signed hasn't yet panned out as well as we'd have liked? Malthouse's fault.

Jarrad Waite left through free agency because he wanted to win a flag somewhere else? Malthouse's fault.

Someone who isn't at the club anymore recruited Warnock? Malthouse's fault.

Essendon* cheated? Malthouse's fault.

Tony Abbott got elected? Malthouse's fault.

This has the same feel about it as the Shane Rogers situation .

It seemed pretty clear that he wasn't trusted to be running things so they tried to poach Wright, when that didn't work they Got SOS. Shane was left in his role but it was subordinate to SOS's.

SR eventually chucks it in .

I think they'll just drag this out a bit longer and it wouldn't surprise me if they've already settled on the two or three people they would consider taking over.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

So it was McKay who made that decision? Is that right?
I'd suggest you wouldn't have a clue who made that decision. There's your screwy.

As for it being overs, Why don't you ask the rest of the world who's getting better value. Adelaide out of Eddie or Carlton out of Daisy.

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I didn't question his coaching ability.

I questioned whether Malthouse knew where Carlton sat in terms of the AFL. If you add a player such as Thomas, you are telling the AFL world you are in a challenge for the flag mode.

I was under the impression Waite left because we weren't prepared to give him more than 1 year???

Happy to be proven wrong though.

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So what is your point, that because Mick cut players post 2013 Carlton, we are supposed to be contenders in 2015. He or no one else expected that. Thomas' recruitment was never claimed to be the path or guarantee to a premiership. He was recruited because we lack 2 way run and extroverts. Do you have the same criticism of Essendon* recruiting Goddard or Melbourne recruiting Le Mumba?

Sorry I don't have the board papers but on good authority as others do on this forum that he went to the board in 2013 and presented an honest assessment of our list and its lack of talent. That is reality 1. Reality 2 is the actions that were taken by Malthouse to get rid of the deadwood on the list.

And he has since added more dead wood to it.

exactly

we should have been seeking as many early picks in the draft as possible. Should have seen the light after 2012.

Betts was always overrated on this site. Was a pretender against the good sides.

Recruiting Thomas was nonsense. Particularly on the money he is earning.

Unfair analysis.

I once saw Jordan Russell have a good game.

Have players individually improved under MM
Has our game plan developed
Are players better at executing the plan
What is the game plan
How well does MM represent the club
Has leadership improved
Are the players playing with passion and commitment
Is MM delivering consistent messages
Is he providing consistent strong leadership and direction.
Is he committed to the job and club
Does he place the club above his own personal issues and concerned
Is he selfless or selfish
Does he have a clearly articulated vision and plan fir the future?

I think if we can answer all those questions we will know whether he is our future

he's not the future

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Who is ?

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