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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 12:46 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
Vloss and co. have built a list for bomb, bomb, bomb.

In 2026... one third of the game plan seems disinterested down back, the second third got old and no longer in Brownlow form, and the final third in now at the Swans.

The game has changed and the list is unable to adjust.

People praised the club for not parting ways... but this gap year will hurt.


Food for thought

Great post Hornet.

Last night was my line in sand. Lose and you lose me.

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 12:48 pm 
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If Vossy gets sacked he would have a fairly good unfair dismissal case.

No one is going to tell me that JSOS TDK Charlie Martin Kennedy Carroll Durdin and Owies would not have made a difference to this year.

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 12:51 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Swamp
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Sides losing games after leading at half time since the start of 2025

1x: GWS HAW RICH
2x: FREM GCS
3x: ADEL ESS GEEL MELB NTH WBD
4x: COLL STK SYD
5x: BRIS PORT
6x
7x: WCE
8x
9x
10x
11x: CARL

#AFLBluesSaints @AFL


That’s our badge of honour?

Have we won most spoons than other all teams this century? Including GWS, GCS ?

What a ride.

I feel for my kids, and my wallet. Have to take their mind off footy. Surfing and skiing becomes awfully expensive if it becomes a weekly expense for the season. Lombok might save me some bucks.

Who is going to save my sanity?

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 12:55 pm 
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MPH78 wrote:
Won 13 of our last 41. Year 5.



And that’s the ball game.

He’s had plenty of time to win us a flag.

Pity we’ve gone the other way and a spoon beckons.

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 12:59 pm 
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bmaurizio wrote:
We most probably won’t win another game before the long break, perhaps only game one may be looking forward to is against the Bombers and even then it’s a 50/50 at best.
Reckon Voss will be shown the door during the lobreak.
We need to begin flushing out the negativity and gradually begin to resetting the mindset.
It will take a season or two the heal the scars of the last 2 decades.



Line in sand last night.

I agree.
I can’t see any other way out of this mess.

Flush out negativity.
Take spotlight off the club
Reset for a new era

Makes sense….after the break.

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 1:05 pm 
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To all those who hysterically reacted to my “forcibly removed” post earlier in the week. Please, take a chill pill.

On reflection, yes the words could’ve been different and it can be interpreted rather aggressively.

I was not for one second suggesting anything like a lynch mob or trying to incite anything.

The point I was trying to make, albeit ordinarily, is that this guy is stubborn and has continually doubled and tripled down on his outdated and ineffective game plan. He’s destroyed players’ confidence, allowed supremely talented players to leave and there are signs already he’s doing the same with the new crop of youngsters - Jagga and Lord, Flynn Young and Wilson etc.

What I meant to say is, he needs to be tapped on the shoulder and told, your time is up. He’s not going to change. He’s not going to sacrifice anything or adapt for the greater good. There’s a massive sample size not just at Carlton but also as a coach at Brisbane. He rubs people up the wrong way, gets players offside, uses word salads like a politician to deflect and obfuscate the glaring issues. It’s amazing that the media has let him get away with it for so long.

He’s one of those people you see in corporate roles who has the gift of the gab to bamboozle you in the moment, and when you escape the trance, you realise…hang on second? But it’s too late, and the cycle continues.

So he needs to be relieved of his duties. GW, you screwed up badly keeping him on. Somehow, you have a second chance here to salvage something, there’s still two thirds of the season to go!

Pull. The. Trigger. NOW.

Or for shits and giggles, let him go to Brisbane and cop an absolute hiding and do it then, it would be fitting that the club he destroyed for a decade is the one that seals his fate once and for all.


Point well made. Convincing. Salient point is to stop the rot.

The ‘corporate speak’ resonated with me. Witnessed so many middle managers and a few Board members with their bamboozling shiny teeth, suit and gift of the gab. Pretenders. I had no issue approving marching orders of those types. Flashy but lack substance.

Vossy has become a broken record and our output seems to go backwards when he doubles down.

It’s all talk.

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 1:21 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
If Vossy gets sacked he would have a fairly good unfair dismissal case.

No one is going to tell me that JSOS TDK Charlie Martin Kennedy Carroll Durdin and Owies would not have made a difference to this year.

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He played apart in everyone of those decision except for TdK.


Ironically, if I was to take an "all on Voss" line, I'd count TDK against him, as well as JSOS. List manager can't do anything about a 1.7m FA offer, unless it was on the table a year earlier when trade possible, and absolutely no one on here thought we should match the offer. Therefore the only way a player might decline such an offer is if his current club is in the mix for a premiership- trading dollars for medals. Thus within a coach's remit. Same deal for SOS. And, I suppose, you could extend that to Curnow, in the sense that he was worthless to us by the end but might have been invaluable under a great coach. Jury still out on that based on early Swans form: bullying a decimated WB and contributing 4 goals in a 20-goal WCE romp (pfft), otherwise an expensive decoy/passenger.

As for the rest... Owies isn't even a guaranteed start for a pitiful Weagles mob, Durdin rarely excelled for us and most here were content to move on from him (and Ainsworth has been an upgrade for us, less injury prone too), Kennedy is a very good player but would be another slow mid who can't defend at Carlton, Martin is a short term loss who might have thrived under our new fitness coach, Carroll I don't think would move the needle.


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 1:24 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
If Vossy gets sacked he would have a fairly good unfair dismissal case.

No one is going to tell me that JSOS TDK Charlie Martin Kennedy Carroll Durdin and Owies would not have made a difference to this year.

Killed by list management

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He played apart in everyone of those decision except for TdK.
Surrey i know you and others live in a parallel universe when it comes to reality.
When the list management committee decided to move on Kennedy Martin Marchbank Cunningham Owies and traded away two first round draft picks for Jagga and failed to not get Houston despite him nominating the club. The club went into full list rebuild. Players who had been through this for 8 to 10 years said stuff that and walked.
This year the reality has set in with Harry Weiters and Cripps and to a certain extent Cerra and Walsh.
Players want success they don't want to be cellar dwelling for their entire careers.

Austin and list management destroyed any chance of these players being successful.

We are now faced with another 8 to 10 years hoping we win in November and December in draft and trade period.

If you believe anything other than that you are delusional

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 2:10 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
If Vossy gets sacked he would have a fairly good unfair dismissal case.

No one is going to tell me that JSOS TDK Charlie Martin Kennedy Carroll Durdin and Owies would not have made a difference to this year.

Killed by list management

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He played apart in everyone of those decision except for TdK.
Surrey i know you and others live in a parallel universe when it comes to reality.
When the list management committee decided to move on Kennedy Martin Marchbank Cunningham Owies and traded away two first round draft picks for Jagga and failed to not get Houston despite him nominating the club. The club went into full list rebuild. Players who had been through this for 8 to 10 years said stuff that and walked.
This year the reality has set in with Harry Weiters and Cripps and to a certain extent Cerra and Walsh.
Players want success they don't want to be cellar dwelling for their entire careers.

Austin and list management destroyed any chance of these players being successful.

We are now faced with another 8 to 10 years hoping we win in November and December in draft and trade period.

If you believe anything other than that you are delusional

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We were never winning a premiership with the players that left the club

The reset should have occurred sooner

It’s pretty obvious for a while that our midfield was too one paced and our ball movement too stagnant

Carlton makes the same mistake continuously. That is, overrates its playing list and relies on too few to achieve sustainable success. Add a losing mentality to the mix and people wonder why we are at the bottom of the table again.

Cripps and Weitering are past it. Nothing to do with the change in direction from the club. They have been part of too many losses and eventually it will wear you down. It’s understandable.


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 2:37 pm 
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Weitering is not "past it"... just past Vloss. Still very unprofessional of a highly paid athlete.
Cripps I'm not too sure about. I still believe he plays for the coach but father time is knocking and the AFL have ruled him out of the modern game.

I think most players have been supportive of the coach thus far, until last night.
It looked (to me) that there were a lot of white flags raised in the second half... has Vloss finally lost the players? I hope not.

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 2:41 pm 
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Weitering’s been pouting from the moment he left the womb.

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 2:48 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
. has Vloss finally lost the players? I hope not.


Nah. When a team has mutinied against the coach they don't get into winning positions continually, or battle it out to the end like we did vs. Adelaide Collingwood Fremantle. They phone it in from the start and get tonked like we did in the late Teague era. It's just @#$%&! weird the way we capitulate, at different times and even different methods... has to be some kind of group psychological trauma, I've never seen anything like it. Too much stress. Put them in sensory deprivation tanks between games, all devices banned...


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 4:05 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
If Vossy gets sacked he would have a fairly good unfair dismissal case.

No one is going to tell me that JSOS TDK Charlie Martin Kennedy Carroll Durdin and Owies would not have made a difference to this year.

Killed by list management

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He played apart in everyone of those decision except for TdK.
Surrey i know you and others live in a parallel universe when it comes to reality.
When the list management committee decided to move on Kennedy Martin Marchbank Cunningham Owies and traded away two first round draft picks for Jagga and failed to not get Houston despite him nominating the club. The club went into full list rebuild. Players who had been through this for 8 to 10 years said stuff that and walked.
This year the reality has set in with Harry Weiters and Cripps and to a certain extent Cerra and Walsh.
Players want success they don't want to be cellar dwelling for their entire careers.

Austin and list management destroyed any chance of these players being successful.

We are now faced with another 8 to 10 years hoping we win in November and December in draft and trade period.

If you believe anything other than that you are delusional

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Get a grip on realisty SB. Coach has a big say on who we delist and trade. To think otherwise is living in a parallel universe.


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 4:40 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
If Vossy gets sacked he would have a fairly good unfair dismissal case.

No one is going to tell me that JSOS TDK Charlie Martin Kennedy Carroll Durdin and Owies would not have made a difference to this year.

Killed by list management

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He played apart in everyone of those decision except for TdK.
Surrey i know you and others live in a parallel universe when it comes to reality.
When the list management committee decided to move on Kennedy Martin Marchbank Cunningham Owies and traded away two first round draft picks for Jagga and failed to not get Houston despite him nominating the club. The club went into full list rebuild. Players who had been through this for 8 to 10 years said stuff that and walked.
This year the reality has set in with Harry Weiters and Cripps and to a certain extent Cerra and Walsh.
Players want success they don't want to be cellar dwelling for their entire careers.

Austin and list management destroyed any chance of these players being successful.

We are now faced with another 8 to 10 years hoping we win in November and December in draft and trade period.

If you believe anything other than that you are delusional

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Get a grip on realisty SB. Coach has a big say on who we delist and trade. To think otherwise is living in a parallel universe.
So you are telling me Vossy wanted TDK Charlie and JSOS gone. He also didn't want Houston

Get a grip he is coaching for his life

He rang Charlie 10 minutes out from close of trade to tell him it wasn't going to happen.


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 4:45 pm 
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WOW wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
If Vossy gets sacked he would have a fairly good unfair dismissal case.

No one is going to tell me that JSOS TDK Charlie Martin Kennedy Carroll Durdin and Owies would not have made a difference to this year.

Killed by list management

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He played apart in everyone of those decision except for TdK.
Surrey i know you and others live in a parallel universe when it comes to reality.
When the list management committee decided to move on Kennedy Martin Marchbank Cunningham Owies and traded away two first round draft picks for Jagga and failed to not get Houston despite him nominating the club. The club went into full list rebuild. Players who had been through this for 8 to 10 years said stuff that and walked.
This year the reality has set in with Harry Weiters and Cripps and to a certain extent Cerra and Walsh.
Players want success they don't want to be cellar dwelling for their entire careers.

Austin and list management destroyed any chance of these players being successful.

We are now faced with another 8 to 10 years hoping we win in November and December in draft and trade period.

If you believe anything other than that you are delusional

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We were never winning a premiership with the players that left the club

The reset should have occurred sooner

It’s pretty obvious for a while that our midfield was too one paced and our ball movement too stagnant

Carlton makes the same mistake continuously. That is, overrates its playing list and relies on too few to achieve sustainable success. Add a losing mentality to the mix and people wonder why we are at the bottom of the table again.

Cripps and Weitering are past it. Nothing to do with the change in direction from the club. They have been part of too many losses and eventually it will wear you down. It’s understandable.
You don't get how the AFL works these days.
Teams that rebuild spend years at the bottom.
Teams that stay there abouts top up and stay competitive and with a good run of injuries put themselves in a position to have a tilt.
We were there but they have blown the place up

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 6:23 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
So you are telling me Vossy wanted TDK Charlie and JSOS gone. He also didn't want Houston

Get a grip he is coaching for his life

He rang Charlie 10 minutes out from close of trade to tell him it wasn't going to happen.


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No - but that doesn't mean he didn't want or decide / care if Kennedy Martin Marchbank Cunningham or Owies got traded.
It also doesn't mean Charlie, TdK, or SoS wanted to stay and play for him. :wink:
It's just that he has a say and makes calls on trades. Wanting Florent for instance to replace Houston call or Hayward, etc.
You can't possibly believe Voss didn't have a say or a big say at that.
Voss would also have a big say on the 'type' of player he wants and the recruiting team have a big say on drafting the type he wants.
List Manager also has a say on the balance of the list. It's not just one but to say the coach has no say is just plain wrong.


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 9:11 pm 
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He is doing the right thing by the club to ensure that we are competitive however do not walk away the game with a win. There is a severe disadvantage to the long term prospects of the club for finishing above the bottom three this year.
The new draft rules severely punish trying to eek out a few wins.

Honestly the draft should be based on the how often in the last 5 years the club has made finals. However that is not the system we are in.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 7:13 am 
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Last year’s poor performances were blamed on cultural issues—Charlie and Jack wanting out and TDK “checking out”—and a weak group of small/medium forwards. That was addressed with the additions of Hayward and Ainsworth, and with good injury luck and most key players available, we should have improved. The question is: why haven’t we? Voss is running out of excuses.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 8:22 am 
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Humpers wrote:
Last year’s poor performances were blamed on cultural issues—Charlie and Jack wanting out and TDK “checking out”—and a weak group of small/medium forwards. That was addressed with the additions of Hayward and Ainsworth, and with good injury luck and most key players available, we should have improved. The question is: why haven’t we? Voss is running out of excuses.

Yeah , replacing quality with quantity doesn't see to work .

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