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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:02 pm 
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This is as bruising as media scrutiny gets outside of politics. They know his wife has had a health scare but they are still going in for the kill.


You seriously think the media should go easy on him because his wife has had a "health scare"? :grin:
He needs to harden up, stop whinging and get on with coaching.

We don't know what the scare was. Could it have been near-fatal?

You shouldn't be leveraging someone's partner to get an edge in writing sports stories. That's where all of this started; those were the first major Malthouse stories of the season and they're still feeding off his emotional behaviour in the aftermath and whacking him over the head with it.

How is that not pathetic? They should all sit down and apologise to each other; can you imagine anyone in the current media hype bracket actually doing that? No, because they're children. We've been bitching about them for years with this shit and they've kept the ambulance-chasing bullshit going, and this is where we are now.

Guy takes time off for his wife in the silly season, snowballs into club-wide pressure on his tenure. What a @#$%&! joke.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:13 pm 
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If I'm not mistaken, wasn't there some talk that the wife told him not to accept the Carlton job? I think someone on the 360 show may have mentioned it last night.

My feeling is Malthouse was a bad fit. He took the Carlton job to get back at his previous employers.

Know people transfer between clubs but Malthouse can never embrace Carlton and belong to the club. He is driving a wedge between him and the board to get a contract, that isn't the action of a man committed to the club before himself.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:16 pm 
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with the majority of the year left I think he played the wife card too soon

he's running out of family members

a little bit longer and he will need to use extended family and friends or has that been done I can’t keep up with the bold and the micky any more


The daughter will come out soon and give everyone a spray.
Still got that one up his sleeve.


Don't forget the grandkids. They are probably being picked on at School/Kinder/Creche.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:43 pm 
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Unfortunately for Mick, bringing his family into the picture only focuses the mob further onto them. You just know there would be a hungry low-life reporter chasing Mick's family for quotes/comment by now. All the while we are losing there is blood in the water and an outspoken high profile coach of a losing team in this town is about as 'fair game' as you can be. I suspect there is more sympathy around for the 91 yo former SS Guard on trial for war crimes in Germany than there would be for Mick Malthouse right now. There's no point asking such a 'tough crowd' for sympathy!

Like my coach told me in the Under 9's, the best way to shut everyone up is to win some games. The only hope I have for the media circus is that Mick hopes that by focusing the media onto himself he is distracting them from hooking into some of his players.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:52 pm 
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mikeychook wrote:
Braithy wrote:
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http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-is-in-a-complete-mess-with-mixed-messages-and-a-team-in-decline/story-fnjuhrxq-1227301405565?from=geelong+advertiser_rss



yes, hard to argue

micky can't adjust and has made all wrong choices
just trying to sell himself
never takes responsibility

I can't understand how in gods name his players like him, all he does is shift blame
but then again doesn't look like they do



agreed he's contradicted himself from the moment CFC contacted him about our coaching position.

he said with Ratten's roster he could go top four and beyond.

he said we were 11 o'clock on our prem window

he bought daisy, sold betts to take us to 12 o'clock he said.

then the list isn't up to par.

mass turnover after his 1st year.

we start to improve and just miss out on finals last year

more tweaks with older, mature-age draftees to "compliment what we already have which is 'close' ..."

now 2 games into this season and its woe is me, good players don't want to come here. our list is shit.



the guy is driving me insane with his flip-flopping and excuse making.

he has not been honest at any point with himself or us, since he's taken the coaching reigns ... and for that he needs to either become honest, take full accountability and reset & rebuild.

or get outta here.


Is it dishonesty or has he just been totally clueless all along.

The latter isn't as preposterous as it sounds.

It was a difficult list to work with when he arrived. He just didn't see it.



Mick i believe had a genuine belief that there were some players that were under performing. After all that is what he had done in his previous three clubs. He has re motivated existing players and also commenced recruiting his type of player.
But it became obvious very early on, that many of our players were irredeemable . There was not the pool of under-performing talent that mick expected. This was a direct result of the draft penalties and the resultant panic approach to our recruiting which failed dismally. I dont believe that mm has ever been in such a position before, that when he finally got his hands on the player group, he realised that there were a lot if pretenders, and that we had been carried by judd during the ratten years. In an attempt to decrease our unhealthy reliance on judd he relieved him of captaincy duties....part of the changing of the guard process. Since then it has been a priority to change the personality of the group, and try to recruit more leadership as well as challenge and activate some of our existing players.
Leadership: recruiting thomas, docherty etc
Activating existing. Yarran, buckley, bell etc
Its a massive job and given the results this year, becoming even bigger, especially when our leaders take steps backwards . Murphy , Gibbs


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:56 pm 
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For Malthouse to complain about the treatment he is receiving from the media is so hypocritical on his behalf given how he treats them and shows what an ego he has and how he is passed it.
What annoys me is that nearly all press about the club is about whether MM should coach us in 2016 and beyond and distracts from other issues the club must face now.

The writing was on the wall when the powers to be at the pies cut a deal to hand the reigns over to Buckley and satisfy MM's monster opinion of himself by giving him some wanky madeup job that he ultimately did a back flip on. They new he was finished as a coach. Why didnt we. Because our board is flower stupid. That's why.

We have the highest paid player at the club who was given this honour because Mick loves him and in the process better players like Betts left the club.
MM is responsible for getting Wood who I must say is better than I thought he would be but still clearly a hack compared to the better ruckman in the comp when we had better options in recruiting a ruckman as a rookie in the WAFL and SANFL in particular Baulderstone from Norwood who I rate highly.

Our coach gets a 3 million 3 year contract then proceeds to travel the country to promote is book about himself thinking the list is good enough to win a flag.
When questioned he talks in riddles and makes no sense.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:57 pm 
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Mick i believe had a genuine belief that there were some players that were under performing. After all that is what he had done in his previous three clubs. He has re motivated existing players and also commenced recruiting his type of player.
But it became obvious very early on, that many of our players were irredeemable . There was not the pool of under-performing talent that mick expected. This was a direct result of the draft penalties and the resultant panic approach to our recruiting which failed dismally. I dont believe that mm has ever been in such a position before, that when he finally got his hands on the player group, he realised that there were a lot if pretenders, and that we had been carried by judd during the ratten years. In an attempt to decrease our unhealthy reliance on judd he relieved him of captaincy duties....part of the changing of the guard process. Since then it has been a priority to change the personality of the group, and try to recruit more leadership as well as challenge and activate some of our existing players.
Leadership: recruiting thomas, docherty etc
Activating existing. Yarran, buckley, bell etc
Its a massive job and given the results this year, becoming even bigger, especially when our leaders take steps backwards . Murphy , Gibbs


Good Post! I know the circumstances are different to Pagan's tenure but it does make you wonder if our club has become the 'elephant's graveyard' for former premiership coaches.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:59 pm 
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Does he take Buttifant with him when he leaves? I've heard the players apart from Curnow & Daisy hate him with a passion.


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Why on earth would players hate a guy who flogs them on the training track and in the gym?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:21 pm 
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For Malthouse to complain about the treatment he is receiving from the media is so hypocritical on his behalf given how he treats them and shows what an ego he has and how he is passed it.
What annoys me is that nearly all press about the club is about whether MM should coach us in 2016 and beyond and distracts from other issues the club must face now.

The writing was on the wall when the powers to be at the pies cut a deal to hand the reigns over to Buckley and satisfy MM's monster opinion of himself by giving him some wanky madeup job that he ultimately did a back flip on. They new he was finished as a coach. Why didnt we. Because our board is flower stupid. That's why.

We have the highest paid player at the club who was given this honour because Mick loves him and in the process better players like Betts left the club.
MM is responsible for getting Wood who I must say is better than I thought he would be but still clearly a hack compared to the better ruckman in the comp when we had better options in recruiting a ruckman as a rookie in the WAFL and SANFL in particular Baulderstone from Norwood who I rate highly.

Our coach gets a 3 million 3 year contract then proceeds to travel the country to promote is book about himself thinking the list is good enough to win a flag.
When questioned he talks in riddles and makes no sense.
In short piss him off

I'd suggest Murphy or Gibbs would be the club's highest earner, but Judd held that mantle until this season.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:25 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Why on earth would players hate a guy who flogs them on the training track and in the gym?


Personalty wise. Around the AFL, I'm certain players would dislike when the fitness guy flogs them on the track. But they would respect or like that person away from that.

Buttifant is one of the most hated people at Carlton by the players. From memory a couple of his staff even resigned last year because they couldn't continue working with him. Buttifant escapes a lot of criticism, the players don't look prepared physically compared to other teams.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:27 pm 
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Unfortunately for Mick, bringing his family into the picture only focuses the mob further onto them. You just know there would be a hungry low-life reporter chasing Mick's family for quotes/comment by now. All the while we are losing there is blood in the water and an outspoken high profile coach of a losing team in this town is about as 'fair game' as you can be. I suspect there is more sympathy around for the 91 yo former SS Guard on trial for war crimes in Germany than there would be for Mick Malthouse right now. There's no point asking such a 'tough crowd' for sympathy!

Like my coach told me in the Under 9's, the best way to shut everyone up is to win some games. The only hope I have for the media circus is that Mick hopes that by focusing the media onto himself he is distracting them from hooking into some of his players.



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Why on earth would players hate a guy who flogs them on the training track and in the gym?


Personalty wise. Around the AFL, I'm certain players would dislike when the fitness guy flogs them on the track. But they would respect or like that person away from that.

Buttifant is one of the most hated people at Carlton by the players. From memory a couple of his staff even resigned last year because they couldn't continue working with him. Buttifant escapes a lot of criticism, the players don't look prepared physically compared to other teams.

The performance review will come in and McKay will make a call backed by MLG, SOS (for statistical evidence), and Trigg.

I think we look flat-footed on the field more than anything.

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MM is not the saviour,
just a guy earning money and thinking he knows what's what.

nor is he the devil,
just a guy whose nearing the end and is struggling with the plot

but this club is [REDACTED] and eats old coaches for breakfast...
young ones take a bit longer but watch how we devour the lot!

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Why on earth would players hate a guy who flogs them on the training track and in the gym?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:00 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
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:lol:

This is as bruising as media scrutiny gets outside of politics. They know his wife has had a health scare but they are still going in for the kill.


You seriously think the media should go easy on him because his wife has had a "health scare"? :grin:
He needs to harden up, stop whinging and get on with coaching.

We don't know what the scare was. Could it have been near-fatal?

You shouldn't be leveraging someone's partner to get an edge in writing sports stories. That's where all of this started; those were the first major Malthouse stories of the season and they're still feeding off his emotional behaviour in the aftermath and whacking him over the head with it.

How is that not pathetic? They should all sit down and apologise to each other; can you imagine anyone in the current media hype bracket actually doing that? No, because they're children. We've been bitching about them for years with this shit and they've kept the ambulance-chasing bullshit going, and this is where we are now.

Guy takes time off for his wife in the silly season, snowballs into club-wide pressure on his tenure. What a @#$%&! joke.


What are you talking about Jim? :?
When Nanette Malthouses health scare was announced, I heard nothing but positive messages directed to her and Mick.
It was Mick who bought her back into the debate saying she had been crying this week at the attention directed to him, not her.
Are you suggesting the media should back off Mick because his wife was ill in February? Give me a break.
As for them all sitting down and apologising to each other, this is the real world, not kindergarden. Mick has treated the media with contempt for 20 years and they're getting their bit back now.
The best way to solve it, shut up, do his job and start winning games of footy. No diversions, no excuses, no victim card.
Do the job he's being paid $1 million to do.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:12 pm 
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Leadership: recruiting thomas, docherty etc
Activating existing. Yarran, buckley, bell etc
Its a massive job and given the results this year, becoming even bigger, especially when our leaders take steps backwards . Murphy , Gibbs


Leadership? :lol:
If Mick wanted to improve the leadership, he would promote external leadership programs, not the "I'm Mick and I'm the leader" program.
It's the same resistance to outside ideas that has us blessed with a bunch of inept assistant coaches. Afraid of giving up any control.

Murphy was a poor choice but it's based on the same failed philosophy that saw Neeld appoint Grimes and Trengove at Melbourne. Appoint a blank canvas that will lead and manage under your strict instruction.
The problem is leaders can't be made by putting a title next to their name. Marc Murphy won't be a great captain if he plays for another 100 years.
Piss in Micks pocket as much as you want but spare me the "leadership" sermon.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:19 pm 
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I can not believe the misguided crap on here. Most of the arguments revolve around furphy's, constructed to run an anti malthouse agenda
Book Tour - Seriously, he was committed. It was pre season and maybe had we made the decision earlier he wouldn't done the tour.
11'0clock 12 0'clock & I can not envisage us losing a game. What coach is going to walk in before a season and destroy the belief of a playing group by suggesting they can not win. A prime objective of coaching is the installation of self belief and confidence
Stop accusing Malthouse of being dishonest when actually he has been the driver behind realism and honest assessment of where the list is at. The dishonest period in Club's history was the decade before Malthouse arrived.


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