Sam Edmunds has dropped some bombs on SEN this morning. Said Teague has got off-side alot with both co-captains and that teammates outed some players who said they were injured and didn't play when they weren't. Said the players gave up on Bolton because he was too combative, hence when Teague came and let them go with freedom. Then last pre-season Teague become extremely combative and put players off side.

Our culture is fk'd!

Not sure what to believe these days but that is true, that is a horror show for a supposed elite sporting club.

Surely, the review will get to the truth.

As I have said many times, focus on getting the culture right.

I just listened to Edmunds.

It is so laughable. He was obviously given the agenda to start the talking points on SEN for the rest of the day.

He did not miss with anything to do with Carlton and not one thing he said could be supported by facts or verified. The only thing of truth he said is that Carlton is still deciding on Teague. It is not even qualified to be rated as journalism. Sensationalist hack job for the sake of talking points.

And based on past days it will be taken as gospel here on TC.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Looking over that injury list over the year - majority of them are either out of contract at the end of the year and no certainty to not be delisted, or they're the top 3 highest paid at the club.

If someone wants to genuinely stuff up their AFL chances because they genuinely hate this place so much, good luck to them.

Williams/Martin/Cripps is a slightly more pressing concern.

Perfectly summed up !!

Hence why untried coaches are no good ,,,

And big name players need to be traded out / or retired and made a example of … we let Murphy , gibbs and simmo run a shit show for so many years , then cripps thought he was untouchable this year cause he doesn’t rate Teague and sick of losing,

Teague played to the culture in 2019 to get appointed plus politics and then rewarded his mates …

Absolute toxic workplace …

Teague ,
Docherty , Liddle all need to go
Cripps should be stripped off the captaincy and he doesn’t like it , trade end of 2022
Weiters captain
And if we have to interview for a new senior coach so be it

This has been a fiasco for so long , what Sayers did 10 weeks ago should of happened 2 and half years ago , but no one high up has genuine love for this club like we all do on here , no matter what differences are on here

Hopefully Sayers is the man and his actions with all the exits coming up will define this club and how they adapt and move on …

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#sayerscouldbetheman!!

When you here similar stuff from a number of journos, not one, it tells you they could well be right, at least in most things. Believing what you want to believe doesn't change things.

I'll prepare the sermon.

Brisbane were the same and then they made an outlandish decision to trade the blokes that didn't want to be there out like tom rockliff and reset their club up featuring every Carlton supporters favourite whipping boy.

Western bulldogs made the call to trade Griffen and both moves appear to have paid dividends.

This is why we are crap though. We change coaches and leave the players ruling the roost.

An independent club review should have been undertaken after the Bolton sacking. Particularly after promising a 66 game rebuild (idiotic).

I still have little faith that the club will get it right this time. The current saga doesn’t instil much confidence. Doesn’t help our chances of landing Clarkson.

An embedded losing culture has destroyed this club. A cycle that needs to be broken.

Some good points. Generally speaking, sounds like we are pretty fk'd....lol. Tail wags the dog too much. Yes, we need to weed out those that are the issue. Coaches are going to be combative at times, it's part of the caper, and the players have to live with it. Seems too many sook it up when the coach is combative. Imagine then with Ross Lyon, or a Barassi...lol. Clarko might well be the best equipped to handle our blokes but he might run a mile...haha.

Suppose coaches are all untried at some stage.

Exactly, hence the bad culture keeps festering. We need to trade out players who are the issue.

But that's what we thought with Pagan & Malthouse...tough coach will toughen us up. And they still gave up under both of them.

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#DonTheStash

I have said this before, we should trade Cripps.
Get Cerra as part of a deal and Freo pick 8.
Use 6 and pick 8 in the draft on midfielders and then trade in some fringe midfielders from other top 8 teams for big body support.
And then do something outlandish next season, wait for it............................develop our kids.
Then by 2023 hopefully we will be ready to seriously push for finals.
Starting centre - Walsh, Kennedy & Cerra.

Malthouse came for the money and was fixated on embracing the pies, plus the coaching record and nothing else , wrong intentions from the outset

So please let’s stop talking about the Malthouse years , his legacy is still going by Robbo still playing and Betts finishing last week

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#sayerscouldbetheman!!

Or it tells you the price of football journalism is one upmanship, break a story, any story or we will bring in someone who will. Where there is zero accountability people can say what they want when they want.

I could start a story about workmates at SEN being concerned about Sam Edmunds mysterious health concerns....................I don't have to tell them his health concerns relate to an ingrown toenail.

All I am suggesting is that with all our bias here on TC, we keep an open mind, and don't allow the likes of Edmunds and Browne's reporting to be taken as facts. They have agenda's in their workplace and that relates more to creating news, rather than merely reporting it.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

That's what I was trying to get at. Imagine how they'd sook under a tough coach. Players usually give up on the coach here about year 3. Lyon might make it to 12 months if he's lucky...lol. Gotta laugh, otherwise we'd cry.

No issue with that all , going off what everyone else is saying , we are sick of players that think they are untouchable, i love cripps for what he did for the club over these years but if he ain’t going to pull his head in , then he can be our Ryan Griffin to change the club

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#sayerscouldbetheman!!

I know people don’t like her but contrast this Edmund hysteria with Caro last night no talking about shambles got it that Carlton would be wanting Clarko and waiting for him as well as considering Ross Lyon If Clarko wasn’t interested
Thinks Teague is gone didn’t say that Carlton were inept was respectful to Teague but thought he and Pickering hadn’t done so well in the last 12 months
Was a bit surprised that it could be until the end of the week with Teague decision but no hysteria about it or hyperbole
In contrast she went hard on Hawks handling of Clarkson

A bit of late and shade not something that SEN would know or want to know about

It’s called sports entertainment network for a reason - taking a methodical and measured approach doesn’t fit into Entertainment narrative
They wanted bloodletting yesterday and they didn’t get it therefore they just make it up

Unfortunately we have to start thinking about stuff like that.

It'd definitely send a message to the rest of the playing group, buy in or be gone (not saying Paddy isn't).