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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 9:42 pm 
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More I think about it, more I think its a proactive move.

We play 3 rucks. Opposition are forced into playing an extra tall either down back to take the resting forward or an extra ruck who wouldn't otherwise be selected on merit (in this instance, Sellar). In their place, goes out an extra midfield rotation.

We've been done in the last two weeks by midfields swamping our run at the ball and open space. Coaches may instead look at three rucks and consider playing that bloke a kick behind play to try and exploit the height up forward, and try and run it out, who otherwise might have been an extra number at the ball ups, which plays into our hands.

All 3 of our talls are in there in merit, not like we're playing Casboult or something. I think it will work, even if it is against Melbourne.

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 9:42 pm 
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Hopefully an opportunity this week to move up from 16th in clearances over the last 4 weeks to 15th......that's all that matters to me this week........win or lose!


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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 9:58 pm 
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Joseph selection scares me. If he gets caught one out against a fwd pocket type within range I'll close my eyes :yikes:

Should definitely play Sugar. Got more talent in one finger than Joseph has ever had. Some very harsh calls on Sugar around here. He's shown a bit from limited chances and is a goal kicker.


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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 10:21 pm 
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Lucas simply needs to work harder

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 10:59 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
If we can work on our structures ill be happy.

But im not gunna be leading any ------ session right yet.

However , if we lose this or win it and were having trouble finding clear inside 50 opportunity and have a hard time in the stoppages... ill be cross!!!


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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 11:16 pm 
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Yet Hawkins was garbage/VFL fodder until they swung him into the ruck, Hawks looked shoddy with Renouf as back up ruck, put Roughy in there, and changes the dynamics of the team and their forward line. Clarks' only decent full year to date was the one he played in the ruck all season too.

Not many players with the size that coaches have the luxury of avoiding playing there. Goodes is probably the only one I can think of.


..hawkins was also a young kpf coming along.. ..putting him in the ruck helped him get a touch and gain confidence, but also co-incided with need.. ..mitch clark had a good season in the ruck, but again was a young player getting touch and confidence.. ..etc etc, we're getting sidetracked a little, basically it's only out of genuine 'need' that kpf/ds get turns in the ruck..

..however you're not actually playing 3 rucks, you're just running tall players thru the ruck.. ..playing 3 genuine ruckmen however is not something done all too often at all..

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 11:33 pm 
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..my concern with the 3 rucks issue, is firstly 1 ruck hasn't played all year and has been severely injury interrupted, this same ruck is also a slow starter in gaining 'touch'.. ..and that it seems 2 rucks will be playing key position up fwd, with no actual KPF to direct, or be the focal point and ease their pressure.. ..IF krooz plays a CHF role all game, and pushes up into the midfield after center stoppages and provides a hit up target for our backline, that could work.. ..if we're actually using all 3 rucks as rucks and fwds, i think it's too much rotating thru those positions and not enough time for any ruck to get consistent time rucking, which it seems the majority of rucks thrive on..

..edit -- i think it's best chance of success is playing krooz all game at chf, with knockers playing ruck/fwd and hammer ff/ruck.. ..in which case, it's 2 rucks with krooz as chf.. ..though why all this experimenting, while you actually have a chf boggles the mind..

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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 7:34 am 
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I would like to see two ruckmen at every stoppage. One will Ruck and the other will block Judd tagger.

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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 7:56 am 
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Lol.....

The bigger the player the easier it will be for the tagger to get past...and the less numbers we have around the ball for a possible spread should be win the contested ball...

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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 8:03 am 
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DIAMOTISM wrote:
I would like to see two ruckmen at every stoppage. One will Ruck and the other will block Judd tagger.


I would like to see kruise as the rover at most stoppages. Wet toast often setup in the square with Cox's as the ruck and nic-nat as the rover.

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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 8:29 am 
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bosman wrote:
DIAMOTISM wrote:
I would like to see two ruckmen at every stoppage. One will Ruck and the other will block Judd tagger.


I would like to see kruise as the rover at most stoppages. Wet toast often setup in the square with Cox's as the ruck and nic-nat as the rover.


I like that. Kruezer as the ruck rover to Hampson and Warnock

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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 8:41 am 
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I want to see all three in the middle just bowling the opposition over with their bulk...all hard runners on the fringers.. Can you imagine it ?


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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 8:44 am 
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i wanna see us have no rucks.
so when the ball goes up we have 3 on the ground against 2
if the ruckman catches the ball... we tackle instant free

surprise!!!

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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 10:26 am 
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Synbad wrote:
i wanna see us have no rucks.
so when the ball goes up we have 3 on the ground against 2
if the ruckman catches the ball... we tackle instant free

surprise!!!

:wink:


Yeah coz going into a game with no rucks worked so well for Essendon* in that final against Adelaide in 2009...

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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 11:21 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
If we can work on our structures ill be happy.

But im not gunna be leading any ------ session right yet.

However , if we lose this or win it and were having trouble finding clear inside 50 opportunity and have a hard time in the stoppages... ill be cross!!!


:clap:

Watch the Walker interview from the Marngrook clip The_Wookie supplied a few pages back.

...when asked if we changed things up at training this week - nup, it's up to the players to improve.

It worries me that we're seemingly of the mindset that tactics ain't the issue, but individual form. The whole fkeeeeeking club seems to be towing the party line.

If we beat the opposition in clearances tomorrow doing our same 'ol... it means nothing more that the opposition is just more shit than we are atm.

But then again, Ratts and co may surprise me... well, they did land on the moon, didn't they?

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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 11:32 am 
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Just had a look on BF and there is a link to a site (dont know how to post it) saying that Henderson is out for at least one week with a groin injury, also someone has posted that Kreuzer is doubtful and will probably not play.


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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 11:33 am 
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Hornet wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
If we can work on our structures ill be happy.

But im not gunna be leading any ------ session right yet.

However , if we lose this or win it and were having trouble finding clear inside 50 opportunity and have a hard time in the stoppages... ill be cross!!!


:clap:

Watch the Walker interview from the Marngrook clip The_Wookie supplied a few pages back.

...when asked if we changed things up at training this week - nup, it's up to the players to improve.

It worries me that we're seemingly of the mindset that tactics ain't the issue, but individual form. The whole fkeeeeeking club seems to be towing the party line.

If we beat the opposition in clearances tomorrow doing our same 'ol... it means nothing more that the opposition is just more shit than we are atm.

But then again, Ratts and co may surprise me... well, they did land on the moon, didn't they?


You have to admit that the current form of the players wouldnt allow many game plans to work. Fumbling, not sticking tackles, giving up on chasing players, missing shots, misjudging clear one on ones and losing them not even halving them, not setting up properly at stoppages (maybe missing Carrots for that), not playing with intensity and choosing bad options. You cant build a gameplan around failing to do the basics right.

We all know the tactics the opposition are using play a big part in our confidence being sapped that would have led to all those basics being screwed up but I am sure the coaches would know that and would be working on new counter tactics. The season (and their jobs) is on the line. On the track however it is up to the players to get their heads screwed on right, get their confidence back and their touch and FFS get some resilience.


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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 11:42 am 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
bosman wrote:
DIAMOTISM wrote:
I would like to see two ruckmen at every stoppage. One will Ruck and the other will block Judd tagger.


I would like to see kruise as the rover at most stoppages. Wet toast often setup in the square with Cox's as the ruck and nic-nat as the rover.


I like that. Kruezer as the ruck rover to Hampson and Warnock


Really? IMO they would just run around them.

I reckon we need to get players such as Touhy, Duigan, Robinson, Scotland, Walker in and around the stoppages and protect and feed our outside runners.

I have said it for the last few years our biggest issue is our body size especially in our midfield. Against Melbourne this won't be an issue.

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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 11:56 am 
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Yazzamatazz wrote:
Lol.....

The bigger the player the easier it will be for the tagger to get past...and the less numbers we have around the ball for a possible spread should be win the contested ball...


You need to run around the MCG 3 times to get around big Hammer time!

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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 12:01 pm 
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Also hearing that Hendo and Kreuz won't line up tomorrow.


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