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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:00 pm 
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we needed to get fitter so he hired his guru and we look gone after quarter time
we needed extroverts and got a gun (his love child the flower for 700k) as a defensive hf
he was "happy" judd played on because he could sense something special was brewing
he couldn't see losing a game this year but we lose to the tigers and a depleted wc
he won't play the kids because he is going for wins even though it's about the process and not a win/loss ratio
we are going to contest but our players are shit and we need a rebuild


what a !@#$% asshole no wonder the players don't want to play and are leaving

only the manipulated and desperate are going to be left behind

good one micky

this club is gone

Take a breath FFS. Is your full stop key broken?


we have a club with board members.. footy dept people etc who are the checks and balances.....

so is it not a club thats devoid of any common sense????

according to redback... he thinks so....

but then all it means is any argument he makes can be taken with a pinch of shit...

its a club problem....

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:05 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
redback wrote:
we needed to get fitter so he hired his guru and we look gone after quarter time
we needed extroverts and got a gun (his love child the flower for 700k) as a defensive hf
he was "happy" judd played on because he could sense something special was brewing
he couldn't see losing a game this year but we lose to the tigers and a depleted wc
he won't play the kids because he is going for wins even though it's about the process and not a win/loss ratio
we are going to contest but our players are shit and we need a rebuild


what a !@#$% asshole no wonder the players don't want to play and are leaving

only the manipulated and desperate are going to be left behind

good one micky

this club is gone

Take a breath FFS. Is your full stop key broken?


we have a club with board members.. footy dept people etc who are the checks and balances.....

so is it not a club thats devoid of any common sense????

according to redback... he thinks so....

but then all it means is any argument he makes can be taken with a pinch of shit...

its a club problem....


So old Malty off the hook Synbad?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:12 pm 
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nobody off the hook....
everybody is on the hook....
what needs to be put into perspective is this problem was before malthouse... which is why we got malthouse in the first place

this is not a 2 year thing in the making... lol
to pretend it is.. means u can fix it very quickly....

do you think we can fix the 2 year hiccup very soon cimmy???

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:15 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
nobody off the hook....
everybody is on the hook....
what needs to be put into perspective is this problem was before malthouse... which is why we got malthouse in the first place

this is not a 2 year thing in the making... lol
to pretend it is.. means u can fix it very quickly....

do you think we can fix the 2 year hiccup very soon cimmy???


No synny.

Do you think your man is the best man for the job?

How would you rate his performance?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:15 pm 
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you see... my cries for a full independent review on this footy club from top to bottom are not new.. they go back many years...

the club says it doesnt need it.
Greg Lee says to people we dont need it...
God bless Greg Lee ... the champion of restructuring footy clubs... hes been there years.. hes contributed SFA.. and he doesnt want a review.. same as the rest of them...

Now.... why wouldnt these people be comfortable with a full review of the club from top to bottom by independent auditors of sporting clubs and businesses??

Do they have the answers and hence dont need to know what theyre not doing right????

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:43 pm 
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I dont think Malthouse is the problem. The coach is the least of the issues. Infact given a half decent list he would deliver results. We are going that badly that we don't see, he is the best thing going for us. The core of the problem is the lack of football people on the board and a president who has vision to drive the club. The irony is the best recruiting of the last 15 years was done in the last 2 and that isnt saying much with questions over bokehurst at pick 19. The same people who wanted a change of culture are bemoaning the loss of Waite, Garlett and Robinson. The same people who didnt want us to hand out long term contracts criticise the loss of betts. In hindsight we should of kept him but he kicked 20 goals the year before and Thomas style was more of what we needed. Was the problem with the medical assessment. The same people who criticised our lack of 23 to 28 year old spend more time panning everitt, docherty etc instead of the root cause which was a bust on every draft from 2002 to 2011.


Best post I have read in this thread by far!! :clap:

Everyone is so blinded in their desire for immediate success that they want drastic action to be taken on the coach, I get that. But for the same people calling for Malthouse's head - when does it get to the point where history repeating itself is considered the worst way forward for the Club?

I, for one do not want another coach sacked until the Club agrees to do a full EOI and interview process with the best candidates in the Country, regardless of experience. Sacking Malthouse during this season will only force the Club to make another ill-fated decision on hiring whomever is available at the time. I can't handle seeing this happen again. It's like Groundhog Day.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:48 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
nobody off the hook....
everybody is on the hook....
what needs to be put into perspective is this problem was before malthouse... which is why we got malthouse in the first place

this is not a 2 year thing in the making... lol
to pretend it is.. means u can fix it very quickly....

do you think we can fix the 2 year hiccup very soon cimmy???


No synny.

Do you think your man is the best man for the job?

How would you rate his performance?



jis performance is sub par... but the club is [REDACTED]!!!!

not his fault the club is [REDACTED]... its been [REDACTED] way before he got here...

im not sure what point youre trying to make..

... again......

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:49 pm 
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Mil Hanna wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
I dont think Malthouse is the problem. The coach is the least of the issues. Infact given a half decent list he would deliver results. We are going that badly that we don't see, he is the best thing going for us. The core of the problem is the lack of football people on the board and a president who has vision to drive the club. The irony is the best recruiting of the last 15 years was done in the last 2 and that isnt saying much with questions over bokehurst at pick 19. The same people who wanted a change of culture are bemoaning the loss of Waite, Garlett and Robinson. The same people who didnt want us to hand out long term contracts criticise the loss of betts. In hindsight we should of kept him but he kicked 20 goals the year before and Thomas style was more of what we needed. Was the problem with the medical assessment. The same people who criticised our lack of 23 to 28 year old spend more time panning everitt, docherty etc instead of the root cause which was a bust on every draft from 2002 to 2011.


Best post I have read in this thread by far!! :clap:

Everyone is so blinded in their desire for immediate success that they want drastic action to be taken on the coach, I get that. But for the same people calling for Malthouse's head - when does it get to the point where history repeating itself is considered the worst way forward for the Club?

I, for one do not want another coach sacked until the Club agrees to do a full EOI and interview process with the best candidates in the Country, regardless of experience. Sacking Malthouse during this season will only force the Club to make another ill-fated decision on hiring whomever is available at the time. I can't handle seeing this happen again. It's like Groundhog Day.


So, does he get more years on $1.0m a year?

How many?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:50 pm 
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in my opinion... people should withold financial instalment to this footy club till they have a genuine independent reviw of the footy club from top to bottom....

if u care about your footy club you would be doing exactly that....

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Results against $$$s spent is a very poor return.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:53 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
nobody off the hook....
everybody is on the hook....
what needs to be put into perspective is this problem was before malthouse... which is why we got malthouse in the first place

this is not a 2 year thing in the making... lol
to pretend it is.. means u can fix it very quickly....

do you think we can fix the 2 year hiccup very soon cimmy???


No synny.

Do you think your man is the best man for the job?

How would you rate his performance?



jis performance is sub par... but the club is [REDACTED]!!!!

not his fault the club is [REDACTED]... its been [REDACTED] way before he got here...

im not sure what point youre trying to make..

... again......


Just trying to see where his responsibilities end.

You've been strong on the boards failures and shown to be right.

But you've also had pretty good support for MM and his ways.

So do you want him, on $1.0m per year, to continue in the role if the board and admin remain?.

Just dealing with realities. Even if we are shit/re-building/basket case/whatever, is he the man for the job.?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:25 pm 
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..coaching can be improved with better assistants in my opinion.. ..the main reason why I have been a Malty fan over the years was more for is ability to nite and galvanise his playing group (oh, and giving it to the tiprat).. ....this is why I was happy we got him, and I would retain him if we could get better coaches around him.. ..keep working over the list until we rid ourselves of the soft lazy types.. ..quickly too, coz Murphy learnt off Stevens, Gibbs off Murphy, yarran off Gibbs, now Menzel is learning bad habits off yarran.. .... ..our most talented are also our softest and weakest..

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:43 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..coaching can be improved with better assistants in my opinion.. ..the main reason why I have been a Malty fan over the years was more for is ability to nite and galvanise his playing group (oh, and giving it to the tiprat).. ....this is why I was happy we got him, and I would retain him if we could get better coaches around him.. ..keep working over the list until we rid ourselves of the soft lazy types.. ..quickly too, coz Murphy learnt off Stevens, Gibbs off Murphy, yarran off Gibbs, now Menzel is learning bad habits off yarran.. .... ..our most talented are also our softest and weakest..


MM picks his own assistants.

Not sure he'll accept any advice from Stewie Dew or similar.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:47 pm 
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he does and he doesnt...

my question to you people is this

whats mckays role at the club???

there are supposed to be checks and balances on the coach.... any good club would be set up like that...
mckay would usually be front and square in this role...

he seems to be very eunuch about his role

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:47 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..coaching can be improved with better assistants in my opinion.. ..the main reason why I have been a Malty fan over the years was more for is ability to nite and galvanise his playing group (oh, and giving it to the tiprat).. ....this is why I was happy we got him, and I would retain him if we could get better coaches around him.. ..keep working over the list until we rid ourselves of the soft lazy types.. ..quickly too, coz Murphy learnt off Stevens, Gibbs off Murphy, yarran off Gibbs, now Menzel is learning bad habits off yarran.. .... ..our most talented are also our softest and weakest..


MM picks his own assistants.

Not sure he'll accept any advice from Stewie Dew or similar.



..I have no problem with that, they all do.... ..but our choices are limited when our club is viewed as a basketcase.. ..we can't get any talent, on and off field, to want to come here in some numbers that gives us real choice..

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:48 pm 
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..McKay is no Eunuch.. ..it'd be good is he was, but I fail to see what his important role is, and how he is excelling in it..

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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..coaching can be improved with better assistants in my opinion.. ..the main reason why I have been a Malty fan over the years was more for is ability to nite and galvanise his playing group (oh, and giving it to the tiprat).. ....this is why I was happy we got him, and I would retain him if we could get better coaches around him.. ..keep working over the list until we rid ourselves of the soft lazy types.. ..quickly too, coz Murphy learnt off Stevens, Gibbs off Murphy, yarran off Gibbs, now Menzel is learning bad habits off yarran.. .... ..our most talented are also our softest and weakest..


MM picks his own assistants.

Not sure he'll accept any advice from Stewie Dew or similar.



..I have no problem with that, they all do.... ..but our choices are limited when our club is viewed as a basketcase.. ..we can't get any talent, on and off field, to want to come here in some numbers that gives us real choice..



our club a basket case

we landed micky, the flower, the fitness guru and not to mention the competitive beast himself

or did we become a basket case again with micky and his muppets


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..we've been a basket case since the late nineties..

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Synbad wrote:
he does and he doesnt...

my question to you people is this

whats mckays role at the club???

there are supposed to be checks and balances on the coach.... any good club would be set up like that...
mckay would usually be front and square in this role...

he seems to be very eunuch about his role


So when do we give MM a new deal?

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I've been wanting to know wtf McKay does at the club for a long time.

Can anyone explain what his actual job description is, or what his KPI's would be? And fronting up to the cameras every week to tell us player x has "had scans" and would be "1-2 weeks" doesn't count. Unless one of his KPI's is "players only to be reported as being out for 1-2 weeks". In which case, flower me, he's the highest performing drop punt at the club.

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