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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:13 pm 
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In which world I'd pick 30 not a good deal for hammer?

The guy has averaged around 10-12 games a year for last 3 years. Is rarely in the best 10 on the ground in any game and has been in the system 7 years and still looks often like he only picked up the game 10 minutes ago.

David Hale (who could actually play) was swapped for a pick 25. Plus hawks got a 3rdr while kangas got a 4th. If hammer plays half as well at any time in his career as hale did this finals series I would be amazed.

Agree losing megan gale is a blow.


I reckon in the upcoming trades everyone should nail their colours to the mast so that in two years time they can't make up where they stood on the deal in hindsight.

In the Hampson case I'm with sticks that a second round draft pick for Hammer is a good deal. What we achieve with that pick (trade or draft) will be worthwhile watching though.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:42 pm 
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2nd rounder for Hammer is a win


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:47 pm 
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Cross. Geez I hope NOT..... We will be going backwards.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:12 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
In which world is pick 30 not a good deal for hammer?

The guy has averaged around 10-12 games a year for last 3 years. Is rarely in the best 10 on the ground in any game and has been in the system 7 years and still looks often like he only picked up the game 10 minutes ago.

David Hale (who could actually play) was swapped for a pick 25. Plus hawks got a 3rdr while kangas got a 4th. If hammer plays half as well at any time in his career as hale did this finals series I would be amazed.

Agree losing megan gale is a blow.


How the hell did they pull that off again?


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:16 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:

Agree losing, megan gale is a blow.


How the hell did they pull that off again?


Not sure those two sentences were meant to sit together.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:02 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
In which world is pick 30 not a good deal for hammer?

The guy has averaged around 10-12 games a year for last 3 years. Is rarely in the best 10 on the ground in any game and has been in the system 7 years and still looks often like he only picked up the game 10 minutes ago.

David Hale (who could actually play) was swapped for a pick 25. Plus hawks got a 3rdr while kangas got a 4th. If hammer plays half as well at any time in his career as hale did this finals series I would be amazed.

Agree losing megan gale is a blow.


How the hell did they pull that off again?


Because they know how to get shit done.

And because Roos are their trading bitches.

Also got Gibson for pick 25.
Traded Nathan Thompson for picks 10 and 26.
Traded Hay for pick 18.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:09 pm 
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Nick wrote:
JohnM wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
In which world is pick 30 not a good deal for hammer?

The guy has averaged around 10-12 games a year for last 3 years. Is rarely in the best 10 on the ground in any game and has been in the system 7 years and still looks often like he only picked up the game 10 minutes ago.

David Hale (who could actually play) was swapped for a pick 25. Plus hawks got a 3rdr while kangas got a 4th. If hammer plays half as well at any time in his career as hale did this finals series I would be amazed.

Agree losing megan gale is a blow.


How the hell did they pull that off again?


Because they know how to get shit done.

And because Roos are their trading bitches.

Also got Gibson for pick 25.
Traded Nathan Thompson for picks 10 and 26.
Traded Hay for pick 18.


Traded Nathan Lonie to Port that same trade period for pick 18.

#14 and #18 for Hay and Lonie :donk:

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:14 pm 
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massive win the hampson trade, not sure how anyone can think otherwise

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:36 pm 
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Hawthorn trades illustrated above show how far away from trading smart we are! Not sure how anyone can think otherwise.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:38 pm 
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hawthorns trading ability has no impact whatsoever on hampsons footballing ability

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:39 pm 
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Agree that a 2nd rounder for Hammer is a great result.

Sure, there is a chance he will become a consistent contributor to an AFL team and be injury free. But I reckon it's only a 20% chance.

Take the second rounder and hopefully use it wisely.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:45 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
In which world is pick 30 not a good deal for hammer?

The guy has averaged around 10-12 games a year for last 3 years. Is rarely in the best 10 on the ground in any game and has been in the system 7 years and still looks often like he only picked up the game 10 minutes ago.

David Hale (who could actually play) was swapped for a pick 25. Plus hawks got a 3rdr while kangas got a 4th. If hammer plays half as well at any time in his career as hale did this finals series I would be amazed.

Agree losing megan gale is a blow.


Yep.

Recent ruck trades:

Mcintosh for Pick 39
Graham and 50 for 40
Hickey 26 and 47 for 13, 37 and 57
Maric for pick 37
Renouf for pick 33
Jenkins and 41 for 31
Hale and 52 for 27 and 71
Jacobs for 34 and 67
Griffin for 61
Jolly for 14 and 46
Mumford for 28
Warnock and 69 for 24, 56, and 72

Strength of draft, + contract status etc in these examples need to be taken into account, but even so a 2nd rounder for a 3rd choice ruckman is fine.

Also need to take into account what other moves we need to make. No point holding up the trade for 17 days only to do a steak knives 4th rounder for 5th rounder sweetener to seal it at 1.50pm Friday the 25th.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:48 pm 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
In which world is pick 30 not a good deal for hammer?

The guy has averaged around 10-12 games a year for last 3 years. Is rarely in the best 10 on the ground in any game and has been in the system 7 years and still looks often like he only picked up the game 10 minutes ago.

David Hale (who could actually play) was swapped for a pick 25. Plus hawks got a 3rdr while kangas got a 4th. If hammer plays half as well at any time in his career as hale did this finals series I would be amazed.

Agree losing megan gale is a blow.


Yep.

Recent ruck trades:

Mcintosh for Pick 39
Graham and 50 for 40
Hickey 26 and 47 for 13, 37 and 57
Maric for pick 37
Renouf for pick 33
Jenkins and 41 for 31
Hale and 52 for 27 and 71
Jacobs for 34 and 67
Griffin for 61
Jolly for 14 and 46
Mumford for 28
Warnock and 69 for 24, 56, and 72

Strength of draft, + contract status etc in these examples need to be taken into account, but even so a 2nd rounder for a 3rd choice ruckman is fine.


Perspective!! :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:39 am 
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..you forgot pick 14 for Wood.. ..heh..

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:46 am 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..you forgot pick 14 for Wood.. ..heh..


Only did the last 5 drafts....

....it suited my argument! :grin:

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:20 am 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..you forgot pick 14 for Wood.. ..heh..


Only did the last 5 drafts....

....it suited my argument! :grin:


..it's all good, that wood for 14 trade was a bomb anyways..

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:10 am 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..you forgot pick 14 for Wood.. ..heh..



and if the Pies had their time again.............

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:44 am 
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7 years in the system and Hammer still hadn't established himself as a regulars Senior player in our side.
Ok in the Ruck, still drops too many easy marks, and cant kick for goal to save himself.
2nd Rounder for Hampson is on the mark.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:53 pm 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
In which world is pick 30 not a good deal for hammer?

The guy has averaged around 10-12 games a year for last 3 years. Is rarely in the best 10 on the ground in any game and has been in the system 7 years and still looks often like he only picked up the game 10 minutes ago.

David Hale (who could actually play) was swapped for a pick 25. Plus hawks got a 3rdr while kangas got a 4th. If hammer plays half as well at any time in his career as hale did this finals series I would be amazed.

Agree losing megan gale is a blow.


Yep.

Recent ruck trades:

Mcintosh for Pick 39
Graham and 50 for 40
Hickey 26 and 47 for 13, 37 and 57
Maric for pick 37
Renouf for pick 33
Jenkins and 41 for 31
Hale and 52 for 27 and 71
Jacobs for 34 and 67
Griffin for 61
Jolly for 14 and 46
Mumford for 28
Warnock and 69 for 24, 56, and 72

Strength of draft, + contract status etc in these examples need to be taken into account, but even so a 2nd rounder for a 3rd choice ruckman is fine.

Also need to take into account what other moves we need to make. No point holding up the trade for 17 days only to do a steak knives 4th rounder for 5th rounder sweetener to seal it at 1.50pm Friday the 25th.



Thanks Blueboy. Mind you, I'd be interested to see how many were still contracted. That puts the bargaining position back in our favour.
FWIW, I said earlier we should expect a sub 30 pick and hopefully that is the outcome. Anything above that is underselling him IMHO.
The key is not to throw away the pick and use it wisely.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:28 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
The key is not to throw away the pick and use it wisely.


Next time you're down at the club it might be a good idea to point that out to them.

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