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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:14 pm 
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Agree...have your own views on Teague but FFS, please do not use the hypocritocal media whirlpool as a validation for supporting Teague

This was the same media who pulverised every aspect of Teague's portfolio during the year on their footy shows

Teague will be gone next week for one simple reason...he is no flowering good as a senior AFL coach

And providing him with better assistants is like putting lipstick on a pig...not even taking into account the fact good senior assistants would learn SFA from Teague...why would they bother coming anyway????

Vive Le Review...the Revolution is upon us...AND NOT BEFORE FLOWERING TIME


Laidley as Senior Assistant ... we've already tried that.


Not Daniella we haven't?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:17 pm 
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jim wrote:
azzablue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/21/teagues-manager-slams-pretty-grubby-lyon-comments/

I heard Pickers rant this morning.

If there weren't already 3" nails on Teaguey's coffin lid, there probably is now.

He has a weekly soap box on SEN so he stood up and used it to support his client. Support is what he is paid for.

Cynics could muster a strong case to suggest it was all a bit of a 'Performance' to show his client he was still in his corner. He stated he has been Teague's manager for over 10 years.

I would love to do a flow chart about the entire review process (excluding comments from all outside media BS)

The old 'If that - Then this' hypothesis.

I'm not sure what more could have been done to conduct the review in an orderly fashion. Sayers had every right to call for the review as the incoming President.

Every move made was Criticised by the Media right from the time it was announced.

The need, The timing, The reason, The reviewers, The secrecy, The process, The findings being withheld etc, etc and on and on and on.

The Media sharks and those with vested and self interest came in their droves to take a bite at every one of the above. SEN 24/7 and the football shows smashed it to bits day in day out.

Sayers and the Board have kept the stiff upper lip through it all, baring the 'Statement of rebuttal' to the Neil Mitchell rumour'.

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe there has been any proven leaks from the Review or the Board about the process. Carolyn Wilson certainly hasn't come out with any major announcement and she is the litmus test for such things.

Even Lloyd and Wright were having coffee in public, so the talk about him possibly moving on is not actually a major secret. No-one else at the Club has spoken about their positions.

Did Sayers get the Process right? Did it need to be done when it was done? In the Cold light of day, if you remove the Media blitz, it hasn't been that ugly IMHO.

Regards Cazzesman

At this present moment sayers has handled it well , pickers is just example of the complete conflict of interest they all have in the afl

And hopefully Sayers with Teague it’s a band aid effect and tells the afl world my Monday so everyone can move on ,,

The new President need to make his presence felt next week and set a tone on how he is going to handle things especially in bad times like next week


Conflict of interest or not. He's right.

The review and speculation has weighed everyone down. See by the way we have played 3 of our last 4 weeks. Got to players, supporters, coach. If we had rolled North and GC there was a reasonable chance we'd be playing a elimination type "final" today. Unfortunately when you have a sword hanging over everyone's head with a review these are the results you get. Distrust, disunity and poor efforts.

This is one time I keep the coach and put top people around him and streamline the coach's position. Like they did at Melbourne last year, Like they did at Collingwood in 2017, Richmond in 2016 and Geelong in 2006. Each one of those worked very well. Carlton would never do that though. Teague has no little support, little help and coaching, as the players have playing, with a sword hanging over their head for half a year, then we wonder why it has fallen apart the last 4 weeks. It's why we have been a failure of a club for 20 years. Like his contract only has one more year so worth trying that. If it still doesn't work then so be it.

We've upgraded some things with Lyon. We had 19 straight kicked against us last week, now we get someone who has 23 straight kicked against him in 2018. Who's 12 of his 17 10 goal losses came in his last 3 years. Will be right at home here....lol.

If we don't fix the culture no coach will succeed anyway. 6 coaching changes have proved that. Teague has been easily the 2nd best of those despite the rotten culture. Those impatient ones thinking a change of coach will do it are delusional. Might well enjoy a honeymoon for one year then down before turning to shit.

By sacking tegaue on Monday as I have said previously they are righting a wrong from 2 years ago when he should never been appointed in the first place , he has been on notice from the start of the year, .. this was always happening ,

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:18 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Where's Walsh?
Must be tired, I know I am.


Silly season begun four months too early around round 10. When the board did not allow football do the speaking.

Instead it created an absolute circus with clowns everywhere.

I believe rounds 1-9, the football spoke very clearly.


Weren't you the same person that railed against Bolton being sacked after winning 4 of his last 43? Now you want Teague sacked after the 2nd best record here over the last 20 years with a winning record of 43%. Hypocritical! Might tell you the issues are elsewhere and not so much coaching.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:18 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Where's Walsh?
Must be tired, I know I am.


Silly season begun four months too early around round 10. When the board did not allow football do the speaking.

Instead it created an absolute circus with clowns everywhere.

I believe rounds 1-9, the football spoke very clearly.


Sure played top four teams with healthy lists...

Overreacting drama queens

RD 1 - Richmond, not top 4
RD2 - Collingwood, not top 4
RD3 - Dockers, not top 4
RD4 - Suns, not top 4
RD5 - Port, top 4
RD6 - Lions, not top 4
RD7 - Scum*, not top 4
RD8 - Bulldogs, top 4
RD9 - Melbourne, top 4
RD10 - Hawthorn, not top 4

That's 3 top 4 teams out of 10.
I don't think it's us that's overacting here.


And won 40% of those games - Richmond unfurled the flag so was top four. We played the Lions when they were top four.

Yes you are overreacting.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:25 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
jim wrote:
azzablue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/21/teagues-manager-slams-pretty-grubby-lyon-comments/

I heard Pickers rant this morning.

If there weren't already 3" nails on Teaguey's coffin lid, there probably is now.

He has a weekly soap box on SEN so he stood up and used it to support his client. Support is what he is paid for.

Cynics could muster a strong case to suggest it was all a bit of a 'Performance' to show his client he was still in his corner. He stated he has been Teague's manager for over 10 years.

I would love to do a flow chart about the entire review process (excluding comments from all outside media BS)

The old 'If that - Then this' hypothesis.

I'm not sure what more could have been done to conduct the review in an orderly fashion. Sayers had every right to call for the review as the incoming President.

Every move made was Criticised by the Media right from the time it was announced.

The need, The timing, The reason, The reviewers, The secrecy, The process, The findings being withheld etc, etc and on and on and on.

The Media sharks and those with vested and self interest came in their droves to take a bite at every one of the above. SEN 24/7 and the football shows smashed it to bits day in day out.

Sayers and the Board have kept the stiff upper lip through it all, baring the 'Statement of rebuttal' to the Neil Mitchell rumour'.

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe there has been any proven leaks from the Review or the Board about the process. Carolyn Wilson certainly hasn't come out with any major announcement and she is the litmus test for such things.

Even Lloyd and Wright were having coffee in public, so the talk about him possibly moving on is not actually a major secret. No-one else at the Club has spoken about their positions.

Did Sayers get the Process right? Did it need to be done when it was done? In the Cold light of day, if you remove the Media blitz, it hasn't been that ugly IMHO.

Regards Cazzesman

At this present moment sayers has handled it well , pickers is just example of the complete conflict of interest they all have in the afl

And hopefully Sayers with Teague it’s a band aid effect and tells the afl world my Monday so everyone can move on ,,

The new President need to make his presence felt next week and set a tone on how he is going to handle things especially in bad times like next week


Conflict of interest or not. He's right.

The review and speculation has weighed everyone down. See by the way we have played 3 of our last 4 weeks. Got to players, supporters, coach. If we had rolled North and GC there was a reasonable chance we'd be playing a elimination type "final" today. Unfortunately when you have a sword hanging over everyone's head with a review these are the results you get. Distrust, disunity and poor efforts.

This is one time I keep the coach and put top people around him and streamline the coach's position. Like they did at Melbourne last year, Like they did at Collingwood in 2017, Richmond in 2016 and Geelong in 2006. Each one of those worked very well. Carlton would never do that though. Teague has no little support, little help and coaching, as the players have playing, with a sword hanging over their head for half a year, then we wonder why it has fallen apart the last 4 weeks. It's why we have been a failure of a club for 20 years. Like his contract only has one more year so worth trying that. If it still doesn't work then so be it.

We've upgraded some things with Lyon. We had 19 straight kicked against us last week, now we get someone who has 23 straight kicked against him in 2018. Who's 12 of his 17 10 goal losses came in his last 3 years. Will be right at home here....lol.

If we don't fix the culture no coach will succeed anyway. 6 coaching changes have proved that. Teague has been easily the 2nd best of those despite the rotten culture. Those impatient ones thinking a change of coach will do it are delusional. Might well enjoy a honeymoon for one year then down before turning to shit.

By sacking tegaue on Monday as I have said previously they are righting a wrong from 2 years ago when he should never been appointed in the first place , he has been on notice from the start of the year, .. this was always happening ,


Given he's done better than everyone bar Ratten in the last 20 years by a fair way it might tell you it wasn't so much wrong decision but other issues in the club holding back success like the rotten culture and utter lack of motivation to succeed. After 6 coaching changes what do you think another change will do? Even then we have been able to talk finals until late in the year, which is unheard of here. With only a year on the contract best to try to do what other successful clubs did, streamlined his tasks, gave him support, not a mid season review, put top people around him, which has not been allowed to do, and see what happens. Worked well with other clubs recently. Goodwin was in Teague's position last year. Dead man walking instead they put the right people in and look at the difference. This is Carlton though, we do things poorly here.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:29 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Silly season begun four months too early around round 10. When the board did not allow football do the speaking.

Instead it created an absolute circus with clowns everywhere.

I believe rounds 1-9, the football spoke very clearly.


Sure played top four teams with healthy lists...

Overreacting drama queens

RD 1 - Richmond, not top 4
RD2 - Collingwood, not top 4
RD3 - Dockers, not top 4
RD4 - Suns, not top 4
RD5 - Port, top 4
RD6 - Lions, not top 4
RD7 - Scum*, not top 4
RD8 - Bulldogs, top 4
RD9 - Melbourne, top 4
RD10 - Hawthorn, not top 4

That's 3 top 4 teams out of 10.
I don't think it's us that's overacting here.


And won 40% of those games - Richmond unfurled the flag so was top four. We played the Lions when they were top four.

Yes you are overreacting.

Look at you go.
I knew you would pull out the "they were at the time" card, even though other teams could still beat them and is why they aren't top 4 now.
I'm surprised you didn't factor in that the finals teams from the year before are usually a month behind the other teams at the start of the year and can be easy pickings for the lower teams.
As for 40%, clearly that's a pass mark for you and a reflection of the little expectation you have on a head coach to perform.
For the rest of us, that's no good, especially considering we are not getting better we are getting worse.

And if the players wanted to keep the coach, they would be playing their "pea" hearts out for him, no matter what support or lack of was around him.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:41 pm 
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If we take out the media who sensationalise everything and have been baying for blood for months, I don’t think the club has done too much wrong in dealing with this situation.
The review has been long overdue and calling it early means we can implement the changes prior to pre season, draft and trade. Waiting until now to start a review doesn’t allow that and would compromise another season.
Club hasn’t leaked information so far as has historically been the case.
Club will release a summary to members which is reasonable.
While I do feel for Teague who seems gone, I can’t criticise the club too much for not publicly backing him in the last few weeks. They’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t. The media will have a field day either way. The one who should be providing support is probably our head of football but he’s also under the pump and seems to be trying to work out a fallback for when he goes too. It’s unfortunate but the reality is this is a high performance industry and we haven’t seen high performance for a long time. We have invested in the draft and youth for years and are at a critical juncture where we could waste another group of talented young players without change.
I’m looking forward to this all finishing up in the next few days as it has been painful but I don’t apportion much blame on the club for how this has been handled.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:45 pm 
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david31 wrote:
If we take out the media who sensationalise everything and have been baying for blood for months, I don’t think the club has done too much wrong in dealing with this situation.
The review has been long overdue and calling it early means we can implement the changes prior to pre season, draft and trade. Waiting until now to start a review doesn’t allow that and would compromise another season.
Club hasn’t leaked information so far as has historically been the case.
Club will release a summary to members which is reasonable.
While I do feel for Teague who seems gone, I can’t criticise the club too much for not publicly backing him in the last few weeks. They’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t. The media will have a field day either way. The one who should be providing support is probably our head of football but he’s also under the pump and seems to be trying to work out a fallback for when he goes too. It’s unfortunate but the reality is this is a high performance industry and we haven’t seen high performance for a long time. We have invested in the draft and youth for years and are at a critical juncture where we could waste another group of talented young players without change.
I’m looking forward to this all finishing up in the next few days as it has been painful but I don’t apportion much blame on the club for how this has been handled.

Well said.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:32 pm 
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I reckon Clarkson told Carlton 3 years ago I'll come over in a few years. In the meantime go hire a coach without overspending, if you want. There I said it.

(This theory goes out the window if we get Ross).


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:36 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
WOW wrote:
Teague has been treated poorly. Don’t think he is the right coach going forward but he has been made the scapegoat for club incompetence.

I still can’t see us contending for a while. Even with an experienced coach. So the cycle is likely to continue. I hope I am wrong. But I have little faith in this club.


How has he been treated poorly? Would you rather wait until the end of the season to call the review?


Teague is the only face of the club regarding the Review. He didn't even call for the Review.

Carlton Executive who called it could easily have deflected the attention from the Coach and spin it any way he wanted, but didn't.

I want Teague replaced with a better coach, but I don't like the way Teague has to carry the can for the Executive as the only public face of Carlton whilst the media parasites feast on him.

Its pretty ugly. Preferred the old days when media coverage of the footy was done respectfully by the likes of Alf Brown, Lou Richards, when it was all a bit of fun, focussing on the highlights, no low lights, and no degrading commentary like we see every day these days, when even the source of rumour, was with substance from the likes of Scott Palmer, ...gosh, even mike Sheehan was better than the current lot executioners, liars, and disrupters of enjoyable footy, they call themselves called journos. :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:38 pm 
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Club said it was a wide reaching review.

The media are to blame not Carlton.

How compromised it that twit manager who used to play for the Cats? Fair dinkum, talk about double standards.


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aboynamedsue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/21/teagues-manager-slams-pretty-grubby-lyon-comments/

I heard Pickers rant this morning.

If there weren't already 3" nails on Teaguey's coffin lid, there probably is now.

He has a weekly soap box on SEN so he stood up and used it to support his client. Support is what he is paid for.

Cynics could muster a strong case to suggest it was all a bit of a 'Performance' to show his client he was still in his corner. He stated he has been Teague's manager for over 10 years.

I would love to do a flow chart about the entire review process (excluding comments from all outside media BS)

The old 'If that - Then this' hypothesis.

I'm not sure what more could have been done to conduct the review in an orderly fashion. Sayers had every right to call for the review as the incoming President.

Every move made was Criticised by the Media right from the time it was announced.

The need, The timing, The reason, The reviewers, The secrecy, The process, The findings being withheld etc, etc and on and on and on.

The Media sharks and those with vested and self interest came in their droves to take a bite at every one of the above. SEN 24/7 and the football shows smashed it to bits day in day out.

Sayers and the Board have kept the stiff upper lip through it all, baring the 'Statement of rebuttal' to the Neil Mitchell rumour'.

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe there has been any proven leaks from the Review or the Board about the process. Carolyn Wilson certainly hasn't come out with any major announcement and she is the litmus test for such things.

Even Lloyd and Wright were having coffee in public, so the talk about him possibly moving on is not actually a major secret. No-one else at the Club has spoken about their positions.

Did Sayers get the Process right? Did it need to be done when it was done? In the Cold light of day, if you remove the Media blitz, it hasn't been that ugly IMHO.

Regards Cazzesman


I agree. Any rational person (ie. someone who doesn’t listen to SEN or watch Fox Footy, or at least doesn’t take the hyperbole to heart) would say that the timing of the review was sensible and that the club shouldn’t provide a running commentary on it.



Disagree. I am a rationale and very thoughtful and sensible person, don't listen to SEN or watch FOX Footy and I would not have instigated a review mid season. The Board approved a 3 year contract for Teague and their integrity and judgement is now questionable. The question of whether Teague should stay as coach is another question. The instigation of this review was purely political.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:19 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/21/teagues-manager-slams-pretty-grubby-lyon-comments/

I heard Pickers rant this morning.

If there weren't already 3" nails on Teaguey's coffin lid, there probably is now.

He has a weekly soap box on SEN so he stood up and used it to support his client. Support is what he is paid for.

Cynics could muster a strong case to suggest it was all a bit of a 'Performance' to show his client he was still in his corner. He stated he has been Teague's manager for over 10 years.

I would love to do a flow chart about the entire review process (excluding comments from all outside media BS)

The old 'If that - Then this' hypothesis.

I'm not sure what more could have been done to conduct the review in an orderly fashion. Sayers had every right to call for the review as the incoming President.

Every move made was Criticised by the Media right from the time it was announced.

The need, The timing, The reason, The reviewers, The secrecy, The process, The findings being withheld etc, etc and on and on and on.

The Media sharks and those with vested and self interest came in their droves to take a bite at every one of the above. SEN 24/7 and the football shows smashed it to bits day in day out.

Sayers and the Board have kept the stiff upper lip through it all, baring the 'Statement of rebuttal' to the Neil Mitchell rumour'.

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe there has been any proven leaks from the Review or the Board about the process. Carolyn Wilson certainly hasn't come out with any major announcement and she is the litmus test for such things.

Even Lloyd and Wright were having coffee in public, so the talk about him possibly moving on is not actually a major secret. No-one else at the Club has spoken about their positions.

Did Sayers get the Process right? Did it need to be done when it was done? In the Cold light of day, if you remove the Media blitz, it hasn't been that ugly IMHO.

Regards Cazzesman


I agree. Any rational person (ie. someone who doesn’t listen to SEN or watch Fox Footy, or at least doesn’t take the hyperbole to heart) would say that the timing of the review was sensible and that the club shouldn’t provide a running commentary on it.



Disagree. I am a rationale and very thoughtful and sensible person, don't listen to SEN or watch FOX Footy and I would not have instigated a review mid season. The Board approved a 3 year contract for Teague and their integrity and judgement is now questionable. The question of whether Teague should stay as coach is another question. The instigation of this review was purely political.


I’m ok with the review/timing - agree with the balance of your comment.

I’m not a media follower at all. All I know of football is the game I watch each week, interviews with players and Teague (and some passing moments with TC). Unfortunately, throughout the process I haven’t heard anything from a club that talks of being more connected - which shouldn’t be read as running commentary.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:32 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/21/teagues-manager-slams-pretty-grubby-lyon-comments/

I heard Pickers rant this morning.

If there weren't already 3" nails on Teaguey's coffin lid, there probably is now.

He has a weekly soap box on SEN so he stood up and used it to support his client. Support is what he is paid for.

Cynics could muster a strong case to suggest it was all a bit of a 'Performance' to show his client he was still in his corner. He stated he has been Teague's manager for over 10 years.

I would love to do a flow chart about the entire review process (excluding comments from all outside media BS)

The old 'If that - Then this' hypothesis.

I'm not sure what more could have been done to conduct the review in an orderly fashion. Sayers had every right to call for the review as the incoming President.

Every move made was Criticised by the Media right from the time it was announced.

The need, The timing, The reason, The reviewers, The secrecy, The process, The findings being withheld etc, etc and on and on and on.

The Media sharks and those with vested and self interest came in their droves to take a bite at every one of the above. SEN 24/7 and the football shows smashed it to bits day in day out.

Sayers and the Board have kept the stiff upper lip through it all, baring the 'Statement of rebuttal' to the Neil Mitchell rumour'.

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe there has been any proven leaks from the Review or the Board about the process. Carolyn Wilson certainly hasn't come out with any major announcement and she is the litmus test for such things.

Even Lloyd and Wright were having coffee in public, so the talk about him possibly moving on is not actually a major secret. No-one else at the Club has spoken about their positions.

Did Sayers get the Process right? Did it need to be done when it was done? In the Cold light of day, if you remove the Media blitz, it hasn't been that ugly IMHO.

Regards Cazzesman


I agree. Any rational person (ie. someone who doesn’t listen to SEN or watch Fox Footy, or at least doesn’t take the hyperbole to heart) would say that the timing of the review was sensible and that the club shouldn’t provide a running commentary on it.



Disagree. I am a rationale and very thoughtful and sensible person, don't listen to SEN or watch FOX Footy and I would not have instigated a review mid season. The Board approved a 3 year contract for Teague and their integrity and judgement is now questionable. The question of whether Teague should stay as coach is another question. The instigation of this review was purely political.


A 3 year contract in the corporate world means nothing if you ain’t getting the results and they can always terminate always before hand with a pay out clause !!

At the end of the day they knew they didn’t have there man and there is no reason to continue to see out his final year on his contract , that’s realistic

If anything they are protecting him and the playing list from next year , in regard to bad performances

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99prelim wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
WOW wrote:
Teague has been treated poorly. Don’t think he is the right coach going forward but he has been made the scapegoat for club incompetence.

I still can’t see us contending for a while. Even with an experienced coach. So the cycle is likely to continue. I hope I am wrong. But I have little faith in this club.


How has he been treated poorly? Would you rather wait until the end of the season to call the review?


Teague was given the golden key to open up his career in AFL coaching without any due diligence. Nobody put a gun to his head and forced him to accept the job that he was too incapable of undertaking

He should feel blessed that better men before him and no doubt after him will not be afforded the indulgence he received and the opportunity to coach one of biggest AFL clubs in the country for 2.5 years

Teague has been treated magnificently by the CFC, including a high remuneration/capacity index


Your views seem a bit harsh. I think anyone would struggle mentally dealing with the public spectre of being sacked for an ongoing period of 2 - 3 months. Particularly during a COVID period with restrictions on soft cap spending and not being able to finish the final year of your contract.

I don’t think he is the right coach but I do feel for Teague. I don’t think the club has done him any favours in helping him to succeed. It will be five coaches in nine years and sums up where this club is at. The rest of the football world just laughs at us.


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bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
WOW wrote:
Teague has been treated poorly. Don’t think he is the right coach going forward but he has been made the scapegoat for club incompetence.

I still can’t see us contending for a while. Even with an experienced coach. So the cycle is likely to continue. I hope I am wrong. But I have little faith in this club.


How has he been treated poorly? Would you rather wait until the end of the season to call the review?


Teague is the only face of the club regarding the Review. He didn't even call for the Review.

Carlton Executive who called it could easily have deflected the attention from the Coach and spin it any way he wanted, but didn't.

I want Teague replaced with a better coach, but I don't like the way Teague has to carry the can for the Executive as the only public face of Carlton whilst the media parasites feast on him.

Its pretty ugly. Preferred the old days when media coverage of the footy was done respectfully by the likes of Alf Brown, Lou Richards, when it was all a bit of fun, focussing on the highlights, no low lights, and no degrading commentary like we see every day these days, when even the source of rumour, was with substance from the likes of Scott Palmer, ...gosh, even mike Sheehan was better than the current lot executioners, liars, and disrupters of enjoyable footy, they call themselves called journos. :lol:


The coach is always the public face of football department performance. We've underperformed.
As for the media, we cant control their actions. As another poster correctly said, the media who are slagging the club for treating Teague poorly are there same commentators who created the term "Teagues gift" and consistently highlighted our lack of defensive structure.

The other thought that the club hasn't publicly supported Teague makes little sense to me as well. Cain Liddle stated earlier this year that Teague will be coach next year. Since the review commenced, the club cannot come out and publicly support sections of the football department and not others. All sections of the football department are being scrutinised.
The administration shouldn't intervene or compromise the process.

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carntheblues wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/21/teagues-manager-slams-pretty-grubby-lyon-comments/

I heard Pickers rant this morning.

If there weren't already 3" nails on Teaguey's coffin lid, there probably is now.

He has a weekly soap box on SEN so he stood up and used it to support his client. Support is what he is paid for.

Cynics could muster a strong case to suggest it was all a bit of a 'Performance' to show his client he was still in his corner. He stated he has been Teague's manager for over 10 years.

I would love to do a flow chart about the entire review process (excluding comments from all outside media BS)

The old 'If that - Then this' hypothesis.

I'm not sure what more could have been done to conduct the review in an orderly fashion. Sayers had every right to call for the review as the incoming President.

Every move made was Criticised by the Media right from the time it was announced.

The need, The timing, The reason, The reviewers, The secrecy, The process, The findings being withheld etc, etc and on and on and on.

The Media sharks and those with vested and self interest came in their droves to take a bite at every one of the above. SEN 24/7 and the football shows smashed it to bits day in day out.

Sayers and the Board have kept the stiff upper lip through it all, baring the 'Statement of rebuttal' to the Neil Mitchell rumour'.

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe there has been any proven leaks from the Review or the Board about the process. Carolyn Wilson certainly hasn't come out with any major announcement and she is the litmus test for such things.

Even Lloyd and Wright were having coffee in public, so the talk about him possibly moving on is not actually a major secret. No-one else at the Club has spoken about their positions.

Did Sayers get the Process right? Did it need to be done when it was done? In the Cold light of day, if you remove the Media blitz, it hasn't been that ugly IMHO.

Regards Cazzesman


I agree. Any rational person (ie. someone who doesn’t listen to SEN or watch Fox Footy, or at least doesn’t take the hyperbole to heart) would say that the timing of the review was sensible and that the club shouldn’t provide a running commentary on it.



Disagree. I am a rationale and very thoughtful and sensible person, don't listen to SEN or watch FOX Footy and I would not have instigated a review mid season. The Board approved a 3 year contract for Teague and their integrity and judgement is now questionable. The question of whether Teague should stay as coach is another question. The instigation of this review was purely political.


I disagree that it’s rational, thoughtful and sensible for a professional club to do nothing when it’s plain to see things aren’t working well. Why is the board’s integrity and judgement ‘now questionable’? The process for selecting him can be scrutinised but that shouldn’t stop the club from acting now if they believe the coaches are underperforming. They would be negligent not to. Calling for a review doesn’t mean ‘sack the coach’ - it is (or at least should be) a genuinely independent review of the football department’s operations by experts. AFL clubs should be reviewing continuously. Doing it in season is practical and logical, IMO.

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I reckon Clarkson told Carlton 3 years ago I'll come over in a few years. In the meantime go hire a coach without overspending, if you want. There I said it.

(This theory goes out the window if we get Ross).

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Thanks for all the input from everyone. I know there is a divide amongst all you fine people about what is happening to Teague. Forgive me if this has been covered. I haven't read all the posts. It's very upsetting, this roadshow. If Teague goes or stays, the board should reassess their place. There should be an extraordinary AGM; I don't know if there is petition as such. If someone can direct me to the it, if there is one, I'd be grateful.

Some of my thoughts FWIW:
1. Teague's appointment didn't follow the correct protocols.
2. He's done a fair job since his appointment but it has been below expectations.
3. He may not have been told, leading people to believe that he is gone. I don't think that is necessarily the case. They may be seeing how he goes tonight and then they can get a clearer picture. The football department; however, should have communicated with him as he has pointed out.
4. The review should have begun at the end of the year so that this media circus could have been avoided.
5. He can coach but needs improvement and the proper support.
6. He should have been allowed to bring in his own people when appointed.
7. He has played Sam Petrevski-Seton in the wrong positions and should have been given better opportunities as Eddie Betts pointed out, in the midfield. That also goes with Marc Murphy. He should have been played where he's best suited, which is a midfielder. He's gone now and that's a good thing so it's a moot point but I thought it important to mention.
8. He has been treated poorly which I sort-of covered here. It's not a good look for the club
9. He deserves a another chance. I'm not convinced but we chose him and he probably hasn't been given a proper chance but hat is just my opinion. One more year I think is fair, but again, thais is my own humble opinion.
10. It's a confusing time for everyone and whatever happens, we don't have much control but we can adjust the board situation if the will is there.

I hope this post finds you all well. I personally am struggling with all that's going on. I'd rather not go into the complexity with what's happening in our state and country but I'm not well. I hope things improve for me and for all of us.

Peace to you all and thank you for having me back.

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