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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:36 am 
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http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-is-in-a-complete-mess-with-mixed-messages-and-a-team-in-decline/story-fnjuhrxq-1227301405565?from=geelong+advertiser_rss

Over simplified viewpoint; Malthouse has adjusted tactics to better suit the list, and brought in competition for spots so certain players meet minimum standards.


He must have lowered the bar considerably.

I think consistency of effort is the key element. Tutt is a backup and Jones is a work in progress who could bob up for significant contributions as a tall.

Jaksch is talented and hard working, so is Smith. The pieces are there, but they weren't going to appear overnight with players who are not established senior types. It does make some of our blokes look over their shoulder a bit more and work harder. Look at Buckley, lok at DVR, look at Byrne, look at White, look at Docherty, Tuohy, Casboult, Watson, Armfield.

All pulling their finger out. Buckley and Armfield have lifted their efforts and will come in next week, 5% here and there is a lot to take from this, but to see us catch up to where we need to be might take some time.


I haven't seen it.

Buckley and Army hadn't done a lot until the weekend when they played the All Australian Auskick Combined side , hardly an example of better output.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:47 am 
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Actually Armfield has kicked 8 goals in the VFL through the pre-season. Buckley's had a good fortnight in terms of defensive effort by all reports.

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jimmae wrote:
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http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-is-in-a-complete-mess-with-mixed-messages-and-a-team-in-decline/story-fnjuhrxq-1227301405565?from=geelong+advertiser_rss
Malthouse has adjusted tactics to better suit the list


In what way?

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Effes wrote:
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-is-in-a-complete-mess-with-mixed-messages-and-a-team-in-decline/story-fnjuhrxq-1227301405565?from=geelong+advertiser_rss



yes, hard to argue

micky can't adjust and has made all wrong choices
just trying to sell himself
never takes responsibility

I can't understand how in gods name his players like him, all he does is shift blame
but then again doesn't look like they do


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Effes wrote:
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http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-is-in-a-complete-mess-with-mixed-messages-and-a-team-in-decline/story-fnjuhrxq-1227301405565?from=geelong+advertiser_rss
Malthouse has adjusted tactics to better suit the list


In what way?

We've seen him relinquish some defensive elements over time, but he does retreat to them a bit when things aren't going well.

The basic shape is not the same as it was at Collingwood, nor are the avenues to goal. The wing play is there, but he's also asking the players to use the corridor wherever possible. I've actually seen them try and go up the middle regularly even when the opposite wing is open. That's a good tactic to take because it leaves the opposition second guessing if you'll chip it wide 30m rather than 50, and it can see zones stretched with minimal effort.

When we beat North last year, we did it by making them run their asses off with our switches and then misdirected them when appropriate.

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redback wrote:
Effes wrote:
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-is-in-a-complete-mess-with-mixed-messages-and-a-team-in-decline/story-fnjuhrxq-1227301405565?from=geelong+advertiser_rss



yes, hard to argue

micky can't adjust and has made all wrong choices
just trying to sell himself
never takes responsibility

I can't understand how in gods name his players like him, all he does is shift blame
but then again doesn't look like they do



agreed he's contradicted himself from the moment CFC contacted him about our coaching position.

he said with Ratten's roster he could go top four and beyond.

he said we were 11 o'clock on our prem window

he bought daisy, sold betts to take us to 12 o'clock he said.

then the list isn't up to par.

mass turnover after his 1st year.

we start to improve and just miss out on finals last year

more tweaks with older, mature-age draftees to "compliment what we already have which is 'close' ..."

now 2 games into this season and its woe is me, good players don't want to come here. our list is shit.



the guy is driving me insane with his flip-flopping and excuse making.

he has not been honest at any point with himself or us, since he's taken the coaching reigns ... and for that he needs to either become honest, take full accountability and reset & rebuild.

or get outta here.


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Braithy wrote:
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Effes wrote:
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-is-in-a-complete-mess-with-mixed-messages-and-a-team-in-decline/story-fnjuhrxq-1227301405565?from=geelong+advertiser_rss



yes, hard to argue

micky can't adjust and has made all wrong choices
just trying to sell himself
never takes responsibility

I can't understand how in gods name his players like him, all he does is shift blame
but then again doesn't look like they do



agreed he's contradicted himself from the moment CFC contacted him about our coaching position.

he said with Ratten's roster he could go top four and beyond.

he said we were 11 o'clock on our prem window

he bought daisy, sold betts to take us to 12 o'clock he said.

then the list isn't up to par.

mass turnover after his 1st year.

we start to improve and just miss out on finals last year

more tweaks with older, mature-age draftees to "compliment what we already have which is 'close' ..."

now 2 games into this season and its woe is me, good players don't want to come here. our list is shit.



the guy is driving me insane with his flip-flopping and excuse making.

he has not been honest at any point with himself or us, since he's taken the coaching reigns ... and for that he needs to either become honest, take full accountability and reset & rebuild.

or get outta here.


I don't think honesty's his strong suit.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:59 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Effes wrote:
jimmae wrote:
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http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-is-in-a-complete-mess-with-mixed-messages-and-a-team-in-decline/story-fnjuhrxq-1227301405565?from=geelong+advertiser_rss
Malthouse has adjusted tactics to better suit the list


In what way?

We've seen him relinquish some defensive elements over time, but he does retreat to them a bit when things aren't going well.

The basic shape is not the same as it was at Collingwood, nor are the avenues to goal. The wing play is there, but he's also asking the players to use the corridor wherever possible. I've actually seen them try and go up the middle regularly even when the opposite wing is open. That's a good tactic to take because it leaves the opposition second guessing if you'll chip it wide 30m rather than 50, and it can see zones stretched with minimal effort.

When we beat North last year, we did it by making them run their asses off with our switches and then misdirected them when appropriate.


there are no avenues to goal, at the pies he had a lead up forwards in Cloke and also Dawes with the errant smalls at times
we have all the players behind most times with the occasional target and we haven't gone through the corridor at all except for the first quarter of this year and the majority of goals last week were centre breaks
1 or 2 flank or corridor attacks a game or a big bomb from a kick in is not classified as a change in his predictable
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:02 pm 
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Well yes he has mixed messages, the club has mixed messages in general.

Ratten probably wasn't the man to take us forward but Malthouse wasn't the right man to take over. We needed someone who wanted to build on what was there, not dismantle it and build something from scratch to satisfy their own ego (Malthouse and Buckley, ironically have both done this).


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Maclure feels like the media's new dial a quote on carlton issues now that Mathieson has been told to STFU

maclures in the media.... what do people expect?? lol

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Someone needs to tell Mick that free agents don't to come to Carlton because he is there.

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Sydney Blue wrote:
Someone needs to tell Mick that free agents don't to come to Carlton because he is there.


good point Sydney.
whether that is true or not,
it could be just as true as the reason MM gave,
and in fact,
an additional factor.
They may have come if they really respected the coach, or his coaching style etc.

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I for one don't think MM ever believed the "11pm" thing, but rather it was PR bullshit fed to him be the club to get people to jump on-board.

The mixed messages points to one of two things:

1) The club is clueless about the direction we are heading
2) The club thinks we're too stupid/feral to accept the truth

and to be honest, either is a distinct possibility. Meanwhile they scratch their heads and bitch about "apathetic supporters" when membership numbers continue to flounder.

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http://www.theage.com.au/breaking-news- ... 3tyot.html

Malthouse does have some new support on the training track, with former Collingwood and North Melbourne spearhead Saverio Rocca joining the club as a part-time coach to help Carlton's forwards, led by Levi Casboult, improve their output.

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Effes wrote:
http://www.theage.com.au/breaking-news-sport/murphys-law-blues-must-improve-20150413-3tyot.html

Malthouse does have some new support on the training track, with former Collingwood and North Melbourne spearhead Saverio Rocca joining the club as a part-time coach to help Carlton's forwards, led by Levi Casboult, improve their output.


Cue people focussing on Rocca being ex-Collingwood and not the fact that he's 13th on the AFL/VFL goal kicking ladder and might know a think or two about straight kicking.

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Wojee wrote:
Effes wrote:
http://www.theage.com.au/breaking-news-sport/murphys-law-blues-must-improve-20150413-3tyot.html

Malthouse does have some new support on the training track, with former Collingwood and North Melbourne spearhead Saverio Rocca joining the club as a part-time coach to help Carlton's forwards, led by Levi Casboult, improve their output.


Cue people focussing on Rocca being ex-Collingwood and not the fact that he's 13th on the AFL/VFL goal kicking ladder and might know a think or two about straight kicking.


It's a good appointment. :thumbsup:

But shame on all the other skills coaches over the years who've failed.


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Wojee wrote:
Effes wrote:
http://www.theage.com.au/breaking-news-sport/murphys-law-blues-must-improve-20150413-3tyot.html

Malthouse does have some new support on the training track, with former Collingwood and North Melbourne spearhead Saverio Rocca joining the club as a part-time coach to help Carlton's forwards, led by Levi Casboult, improve their output.


Cue people focussing on Rocca being ex-Collingwood and not the fact that he's 13th on the AFL/VFL goal kicking ladder and might know a think or two about straight kicking.

I'm more concerned about the fact he's spent the past decade using a different ball and different kicking action with an emphasis on "hang-time"...

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Donstuie wrote:
Wojee wrote:
Effes wrote:
http://www.theage.com.au/breaking-news-sport/murphys-law-blues-must-improve-20150413-3tyot.html

Malthouse does have some new support on the training track, with former Collingwood and North Melbourne spearhead Saverio Rocca joining the club as a part-time coach to help Carlton's forwards, led by Levi Casboult, improve their output.


Cue people focussing on Rocca being ex-Collingwood and not the fact that he's 13th on the AFL/VFL goal kicking ladder and might know a think or two about straight kicking.

I'm more concerned about the fact he's spent the past decade using a different ball and different kicking action with an emphasis on "hang-time"...


Will have experience at having to learn a new way of kicking himself which can only be helpful when attempting to teach others :smile:

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Donstuie wrote:
Wojee wrote:
Effes wrote:
http://www.theage.com.au/breaking-news-sport/murphys-law-blues-must-improve-20150413-3tyot.html

Malthouse does have some new support on the training track, with former Collingwood and North Melbourne spearhead Saverio Rocca joining the club as a part-time coach to help Carlton's forwards, led by Levi Casboult, improve their output.


Cue people focussing on Rocca being ex-Collingwood and not the fact that he's 13th on the AFL/VFL goal kicking ladder and might know a think or two about straight kicking.

I'm more concerned about the fact he's spent the past decade using a different ball and different kicking action with an emphasis on "hang-time"...


He's spent a decade studying and applying the mechanics of kicking.

He's probably the perfect person for the job.

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In golf if you get the yips you are gone.
You give it away.
Sav is a good choice he was a beautiful kick of the football.
My hopes for Levi are not good.
He could kick himself out of the game

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