The players were as equally to blame... but you can drop players not the coach.

Good point.

Plus we beat Geelong before and after the GF so that means we are the best team in the comp.

On that point, for whatever reason, it seems Essendon* have a mental edge over our team and they match up well against us. Just as we seem to have a belief against Geelong that we can beat them.

It's hard to explain how that can be, really, but it does support Cazzesman's theory that 98% of the game is played between the ears. Maybe Ratten does have some blame to take for the Essendon* game, the fact remains, though, the players were so bad that there's no way it can be all Ratten's fault.

Was also interesting to hear Lloyd's comments during the commentary today saying Essendon* always felt our midfield was too soft and not accountable enough. So they always felt they were a chance. He did say that if we played against Essendon* like we did today, with great tackling pressure and accountable footy, that we would deal with Essendon* just as we would expect to.

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short answer: no

long answer: this was NEVER going to happen overnight. As the melbourne fans will discover, false dawns are many. We are a red hot chance for multiple premierships in the next couple of years and ratts will get us there

Its a bit hypocritical to slam posters who want rattens head after 2 wins.

No doubt this one was IMO the best win we have had in the last 9 years.

An Ratten has coached well.
But its Round 5 only folks


We are getting the ball out of defense quicker playing more through the corridor.

Geelong are just about unbeatable at Skilled because the ground is skinny .


I actually back the Blues at the stupid odds of $5.40 because we would be quicker in the open spaces of the G and I knew Corey was out.Geelong would be exposed for pace if we held our own in close which we actually won

Gartlett Lucas and White should have played from round one

To be fair some of us do ask genuine strategic questions of the more knowledgable football posters and are either ignored or met with pithy picture messages if they are not part of the clique on here.

If your offer is genuine, in your opinion how does a coach break the habit of players going into their shells and playing too conservatively against particular sides?

If however your offer was just a condescending aside, may the ridiculous arguments between posters go on and on forever.

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If we beat Collingwood next week I hope we extend his contract by a couple more years

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Ah the opposite theory....well done Ratts!!!

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I doubt you could care less about my 'opinion' whether it be astute or stupid

Regards Cazzesman

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Go Ratts!

well that comment was definitely in the second category...very engaging....

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The Opposite Theory. Does this herald the return of Opposite Man, from the Talking Judd days?

As for the topic question: No. Even if he was doing a poor job, no point sacking him now.

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I would like to thank Collingwood for helping me keep faith in my old man. He always told me that 'People are thick'.

FM I am only condescending (as you put it) to knee jerk reactionists. The answer is as simple as the old cliche'. 'Rome wasn't built in a day'

Players take time, rebuilding Clubs on their knees take time, new Coaches take time, game plans take time, fitness takes time, maturity takes time, recruiting takes time, rebuilding a list takes time and some luck along the way with injuires doesn't go astray.

Confidence in each other and everything to do with the entire process must be in place as well.

If you think all of the things listed above can happen in just 2 or 3 seasons, coming off many, many lean years then you are confused about how hard the AFL arena is.

Regards Cazzesman

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Agree completely and just as you can take cracks at players for under performing so can others take cracks at the coach for under performing...you need to stop taking comments on here personally...a team is made up of on field and off field components...all have to be performing at the best for the whole team to succeed..

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Now, if only some of the "sack Ratts" brigade used the corollary to this:

"The team performed badly (from coach down
But it's round 5 only folks (or really round 3 was the problem match)"

You can lead a poster to logic, but you can't make them think.

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Hmm....I think we all know where he gets his "inside info" from.

Hi Jon!

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He's pulled a Kostanza!

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

This is a crunch season for Ratten
He has had 3 seasons to show something
he has some great talent on offer
So giving him heaps for the Essendon* loss a team that has beaten us consistently with corridor footy isnt a knee jerk reaction


Being accused of being so negative that I would rather see the team lose goes to show how some posters get it wrong


I was happy as larry yesterday but IMO the Jury is still out as there are 17 rounds to go.

Dropping Thornton shows he has learnt one thing.
Defenders must move the ball quickly as well.

I have no problem whatsoever with people having a crack at anyone underperforming. The line in the sand for me is the knee jerk call by uninformed supporters who want Ratten Sacked because of a bad game. I have a crack at players as well but it doesn't mean I never want them to play again if they make a mistake or 3.

If as a supporter you can't see the improvement in CFC since Ratts has taken over then you either A) have an agenda or B) Don't understand what it takes to build a competitive team in the AFL.

There is no magic fairy dust. It is all about time and hard work. Sdaly at times it will be 3 steps forward and 2 steps back. Such is life.

And even the very best at the moment can have those 3 steps back from time to time.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

He's taken the team from 15th to 10th to 7th and we're currently sitting 6th with a percentage of 126, having just beaten the reigning premier by 6 goals.

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Not good enough.... sack him!

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