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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:13 pm 
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Laurie Kerr
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Terry Daniher!!

Terence played 313 VFL-AFL games, mainly for Essendon*; scoring 470 goals. He appeared in four Grand Finals and won two Premierships (1984 and 1985). Club best and fairest in 1982. Made the All-Australian team in 1983, 1985 and 1988.

Captain and coach of the Wagga Tigers between 1992 and 1998.
Terry made a valuable contribution to football in Wagga Wagga acting as captain and coach for the Wagga Tigers between 1993-1998. During that period he led the team to five premierships and one State Championship. His record over six years was 117 wins out of 128 games. He returned to Essendon* to take up a coaching position in 1999.

Daniher has held various senior and assistant coaching positions since his retirement. Daniher was the senior coach of the Essendon* VFL team from 1999 until 2002, before moving to the Collingwood Football Club as assistant coach in 2003 and then on to St Kilda in 2004 and 2005. Since 2006, Daniher has been an assistant coach to Denis Pagan at the Carlton Football Club.


In my opinion we dont need to look any further.

Can anyone come up with someone better?

Thoughts?

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:29 pm 
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The main benefit of a new coach is that every one starts on a level pegging and there are no favourites - ala whitnall, wiggins, houlihan etc.

If Hartlett gets a game before round 15 I will have thought Pagan had turned the corner.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:37 pm 
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amers wrote:
Terry Daniher!!

Terence played 313 VFL-AFL games, mainly for Essendon*; scoring 470 goals. He appeared in four Grand Finals and won two Premierships (1984 and 1985). Club best and fairest in 1982. Made the All-Australian team in 1983, 1985 and 1988.

Captain and coach of the Wagga Tigers between 1992 and 1998.
Terry made a valuable contribution to football in Wagga Wagga acting as captain and coach for the Wagga Tigers between 1993-1998. During that period he led the team to five premierships and one State Championship. His record over six years was 117 wins out of 128 games. He returned to Essendon* to take up a coaching position in 1999.

Daniher has held various senior and assistant coaching positions since his retirement. Daniher was the senior coach of the Essendon* VFL team from 1999 until 2002, before moving to the Collingwood Football Club as assistant coach in 2003 and then on to St Kilda in 2004 and 2005. Since 2006, Daniher has been an assistant coach to Denis Pagan at the Carlton Football Club.


In my opinion we dont need to look any further.

Can anyone come up with someone better?

Thoughts?

My understanding is that Daniher was let go by previous clubs due to a perceived lack of input in the box on match day.

If true, he's not a promising candidate for a senior coaching role.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:41 pm 
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Yep, I think TD is great one on one with players on the training track, but he's not a tactician.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:52 pm 
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bluebeard wrote:
GAVROMAN wrote:
Am i missing something? Whats with the Voss fascination?


He barracks for Carlton

He was the captain of 3 premiership sides.

He was probably the best leader in the AFL for the past 15 years.

He would have learnt a lot from probably the best leader from the VFL/AFL for the past 30 years.

I beleieve they are 4 reasonably valid points for us to get exicted.



Lethal Leigh went from playing in 1985 to coaching (the Pies) in 1986.
Collingwood took a punt on the untried Matthews.

Vossy has all of Matthew's credentials.

Premiership captain, leader, champion, tough and respected by all.

I'd hate to be the club that "could" have got Vossy, but waited for him to get some "coaching experience" as an assistant and missed out in the long run.

Mr Pratt.....you want the best.....take the risk.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:10 pm 
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i reckon guy mckenna is the man to get. voss may have been all those things but in terms of intelligence i reckon guy mckenna would run rings around him. besides look at his nickname... guy 'bluey' mckenna.... come on... it was meant to be :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 11:23 pm 
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Agreed Bluey Mckenna would be my first choice

Same era as Woosher ... Same generation and also a tough defender

Has had some coaching both in Westcoast and a local team in the WAFL
Also senior assistant coach at collingwood

When he went for the saints gig thought he had the best credentials



Voss prob second choice could be something special but also a risk ideal if he came to us as an assistant.

Mckenna we could also grab now or mid year point if he had a get out of clause at the Pies.

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 7:47 am 
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amers wrote:
Terry Daniher!!

Terence played 313 VFL-AFL games, mainly for Essendon*; scoring 470 goals. He appeared in four Grand Finals and won two Premierships (1984 and 1985). Club best and fairest in 1982. Made the All-Australian team in 1983, 1985 and 1988.

Captain and coach of the Wagga Tigers between 1992 and 1998.
Terry made a valuable contribution to football in Wagga Wagga acting as captain and coach for the Wagga Tigers between 1993-1998. During that period he led the team to five premierships and one State Championship. His record over six years was 117 wins out of 128 games. He returned to Essendon* to take up a coaching position in 1999.

Daniher has held various senior and assistant coaching positions since his retirement. Daniher was the senior coach of the Essendon* VFL team from 1999 until 2002, before moving to the Collingwood Football Club as assistant coach in 2003 and then on to St Kilda in 2004 and 2005. Since 2006, Daniher has been an assistant coach to Denis Pagan at the Carlton Football Club.


In my opinion we dont need to look any further.

Can anyone come up with someone better?

Thoughts?


Going on breeding, if you took a line through his brother Neil, on form, you would'nt back him :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 12:31 pm 
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amers wrote:
Terry Daniher!!

Terence played 313 VFL-AFL games, mainly for Essendon*; scoring 470 goals. He appeared in four Grand Finals and won two Premierships (1984 and 1985). Club best and fairest in 1982. Made the All-Australian team in 1983, 1985 and 1988.

Captain and coach of the Wagga Tigers between 1992 and 1998.
Terry made a valuable contribution to football in Wagga Wagga acting as captain and coach for the Wagga Tigers between 1993-1998. During that period he led the team to five premierships and one State Championship. His record over six years was 117 wins out of 128 games. He returned to Essendon* to take up a coaching position in 1999.

Daniher has held various senior and assistant coaching positions since his retirement. Daniher was the senior coach of the Essendon* VFL team from 1999 until 2002, before moving to the Collingwood Football Club as assistant coach in 2003 and then on to St Kilda in 2004 and 2005. Since 2006, Daniher has been an assistant coach to Denis Pagan at the Carlton Football Club.


In my opinion we dont need to look any further.

Can anyone come up with someone better?

Thoughts?


Stan Alves

That said, Pagan will be coaching to the next premiership.... :wink:

Viva La Pagan!


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 12:46 pm 
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mikkey wrote:
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bluechucky wrote:
I hope their research and recruitment is better than "I don't know him as well"


I just hope it's better than St Kilda's :lol: It doesn't matter who the coach is, as long as the process is right :lol: :lol: .


Oh, yes - I want Buttass back on TV explaining his process' and how he facilitates paradigm shifts in order to go forward.... it's so entertaining.


Nah, lets just get Dermott to head the "new coach committee" and then when he gets Ayres to make his submission at the last minute and tells us everything we want to hear, we can hire AYRES. :P


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 12:59 pm 
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I don't know if this was covered ealrier in the thread, but can any of the Voss fans out there fill me in on his ability to understand the game tactically, to innovate, respond to different situations etc, AND to be able to communicate that to players?

I'm not having a go at Voss, for all I know he may be able to do all that brilliantly. However, I have not heard nor seen any evidence that he can, and would like to have some evidence before we were to appoint him.

He clearly has great onfield leadership abilities, has played in Premierships and has the respect of the football world...but what I don't know is whether he has the tactical smarts to be a senior coach (and certainly his preformance as a special comments man (unlike Buckley's) has done nothing to suggest that he has those smarts, or the communication skills.

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The other issue i see with Voss as a Senior Coach is that i am worried that he would be looked at by the players as more of a peer rather than a coach. Kind of like the school teacher who tries to be the students 'mates'.

I've read people say the players wqill respect him for his personal credentials, but how can they respect his ability to coach without any track record or experience.

I'd love to hear some thoughts on that.


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:24 pm 
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Respect for his ability will last about 10 minutes if he cannot coach.
Lets do our homework, put the prospective coaches through a thorough interviewing process and get the best available candidate.

Somehow I doubt that will be Voss.

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Blue Vain wrote:
Respect for his ability will last about 10 minutes if he cannot coach.
Lets do our homework, put the prospective coaches through a thorough interviewing process and get the best available candidate.

Somehow I doubt that will be Voss.


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Like Barassi......people took a punt on Matthews who produced a Premiership for Collingwood.....Voss is in that category.......how we would cry if he went elsewhere and produced the goods while we continued floundering.

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:56 pm 
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Different times Warby IMO.

Barrassi had an aura and a reputation which assisted his style. Coaching then was about getting maximum effort from the players quite often using intimidation and fear to obtain it.

Coaching now is about people management, having the experience to make the right decisions at the right times and an ability to get the maximum amount of people performing at their best.
Voss may have skills in all of those fields but I strongly doubt it. But unless we go through a comprehensive and exhaustive interview and testing process of all possible candidates, we'll never know.

Had our players been under the care of a tactically strong mentor for the past 5 years, fair enough but our players have just been through 4.5 years of inadequate tactical tutelage IMO. We are in no position to be making speculative decisions on top of that.

Get the best person, not the one we hope can eventually become the best.

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:03 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Different times Warby IMO.

Barrassi had an aura and a reputation which assisted his style. Coaching then was about getting maximum effort from the players quite often using intimidation and fear to obtain it.

Coaching now is about people management, having the experience to make the right decisions at the right times and an ability to get the maximum amount of people performing at their best.
Voss may have skills in all of those fields but I strongly doubt it.

Had our players been under the care of a tactically strong mentor for the past 5 years, fair enough but our players have just been through 4.5 years of inadequate tactical tutelage IMO. We are in no position to be making speculative decisions on top of that.

Get the best person, not the one we hope can eventually become the best.



Wasn't Denis supposedly the best?
Let's be bold & brave :idea:

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:14 pm 
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Carlton will be placed to reap a handsome reward if a calculated risk is taken with the selection of our next coach.

Whoever he is, this coach will be the one to lead us from the football wilderness.

In the season of this near future triumph, we finish in a low spot in the eight. That alone is an achievement considering the past 5 years, but things do not end there...

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:36 pm 
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what do you guys think about the following two coaches:

Mark Harvey:
Would seem to have had the best preparation one could possibly have to be an AFL coach

and

Andrew Collins:
Was going to get the Stkilda job a while ago, and did well with Box hill and Coburg in the VFL>


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If i had it my way i would back Peter Dean in all the way.

He took Northcate park to back to back flags if i remember correctly. While not AFL level it shows he has the fundamentals to keep everyone humming along while giving their all.

He has that clint eastwood about him. You just wouldn't double cross him.

Top bloke to boot.

I have no doubt he can get the most out of the players as they will want to give their all for him.

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