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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:14 pm 
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Walsh, you never answered my question. I ask honestly because I flip from sacking Teague (last Saturday he was gone) to putting correct structure around him.

Who are the two players that correct the ship. You’ve got 2 first round picks and limited players as collateral


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 8:12 am 
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SS,

It is pointless banging on about the Media. They are sharks. They get a sniff of blood in the water and it is all over. And when there is no blood in the water someone draws the short straw and jumps in to open up a wound somewhere, somehow.

As an Old Boss use to say to me................"The worst thing that ever happened to the AFL was SEN".

24/7/365 must be filled and most of it is done so with out n' out lies, half truths, conjecture, supposition and straight up hysteria backed by bile, hatred and more than a fair share of axes to grind.

Stewy Dew will get the next run through the ringer. Fresh meat is always required to feed the hungry beasts.

As the Romans taught us..................... it's Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down from the great unwashed in need of entertainment. More so now that Lockdown amplifies everything to 11.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 9:37 am 
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DesEnglish wrote:
Walsh, you never answered my question. I ask honestly because I flip from sacking Teague (last Saturday he was gone) to putting correct structure around him.

Who are the two players that correct the ship. You’ve got 2 first round picks and limited players as collateral

Why are you humouring him ?? He is shattered because we are letting go a future 4 time premiership coach , who is supposedly is better than clarko , Hardwick and Longmire

And no one can see that except him ...

If only Walsh knew the Tatts numbers for this week ...

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 11:41 am 
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/21/ ... -comments/

I heard Pickers rant this morning.

If there weren't already 3" nails on Teaguey's coffin lid, there probably is now.

He has a weekly soap box on SEN so he stood up and used it to support his client. Support is what he is paid for.

Cynics could muster a strong case to suggest it was all a bit of a 'Performance' to show his client he was still in his corner. He stated he has been Teague's manager for over 10 years.

I would love to do a flow chart about the entire review process (excluding comments from all outside media BS)

The old 'If that - Then this' hypothesis.

I'm not sure what more could have been done to conduct the review in an orderly fashion. Sayers had every right to call for the review as the incoming President.

Every move made was Criticised by the Media right from the time it was announced.

The need, The timing, The reason, The reviewers, The secrecy, The process, The findings being withheld etc, etc and on and on and on.

The Media sharks and those with vested and self interest came in their droves to take a bite at every one of the above. SEN 24/7 and the football shows smashed it to bits day in day out.

Sayers and the Board have kept the stiff upper lip through it all, baring the 'Statement of rebuttal' to the Neil Mitchell rumour'.

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe there has been any proven leaks from the Review or the Board about the process. Carolyn Wilson certainly hasn't come out with any major announcement and she is the litmus test for such things.

Even Lloyd and Wright were having coffee in public, so the talk about him possibly moving on is not actually a major secret. No-one else at the Club has spoken about their positions.

Did Sayers get the Process right? Did it need to be done when it was done? In the Cold light of day, if you remove the Media blitz, it hasn't been that ugly IMHO.

Regards Cazzesman

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 11:52 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/21/teagues-manager-slams-pretty-grubby-lyon-comments/

I heard Pickers rant this morning.

If there weren't already 3" nails on Teaguey's coffin lid, there probably is now.

He has a weekly soap box on SEN so he stood up and used it to support his client. Support is what he is paid for.

Cynics could muster a strong case to suggest it was all a bit of a 'Performance' to show his client he was still in his corner. He stated he has been Teague's manager for over 10 years.

I would love to do a flow chart about the entire review process (excluding comments from all outside media BS)

The old 'If that - Then this' hypothesis.

I'm not sure what more could have been done to conduct the review in an orderly fashion. Sayers had every right to call for the review as the incoming President.

Every move made was Criticised by the Media right from the time it was announced.

The need, The timing, The reason, The reviewers, The secrecy, The process, The findings being withheld etc, etc and on and on and on.

The Media sharks and those with vested and self interest came in their droves to take a bite at every one of the above. SEN 24/7 and the football shows smashed it to bits day in day out.

Sayers and the Board have kept the stiff upper lip through it all, baring the 'Statement of rebuttal' to the Neil Mitchell rumour'.

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe there has been any proven leaks from the Review or the Board about the process. Carolyn Wilson certainly hasn't come out with any major announcement and she is the litmus test for such things.

Even Lloyd and Wright were having coffee in public, so the talk about him possibly moving on is not actually a major secret. No-one else at the Club has spoken about their positions.

Did Sayers get the Process right? Did it need to be done when it was done? In the Cold light of day, if you remove the Media blitz, it hasn't been that ugly IMHO.

Regards Cazzesman


I agree. Any rational person (ie. someone who doesn’t listen to SEN or watch Fox Footy, or at least doesn’t take the hyperbole to heart) would say that the timing of the review was sensible and that the club shouldn’t provide a running commentary on it.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:42 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/21/teagues-manager-slams-pretty-grubby-lyon-comments/

I heard Pickers rant this morning.

If there weren't already 3" nails on Teaguey's coffin lid, there probably is now.

He has a weekly soap box on SEN so he stood up and used it to support his client. Support is what he is paid for.

Cynics could muster a strong case to suggest it was all a bit of a 'Performance' to show his client he was still in his corner. He stated he has been Teague's manager for over 10 years.

I would love to do a flow chart about the entire review process (excluding comments from all outside media BS)

The old 'If that - Then this' hypothesis.

I'm not sure what more could have been done to conduct the review in an orderly fashion. Sayers had every right to call for the review as the incoming President.

Every move made was Criticised by the Media right from the time it was announced.

The need, The timing, The reason, The reviewers, The secrecy, The process, The findings being withheld etc, etc and on and on and on.

The Media sharks and those with vested and self interest came in their droves to take a bite at every one of the above. SEN 24/7 and the football shows smashed it to bits day in day out.

Sayers and the Board have kept the stiff upper lip through it all, baring the 'Statement of rebuttal' to the Neil Mitchell rumour'.

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe there has been any proven leaks from the Review or the Board about the process. Carolyn Wilson certainly hasn't come out with any major announcement and she is the litmus test for such things.

Even Lloyd and Wright were having coffee in public, so the talk about him possibly moving on is not actually a major secret. No-one else at the Club has spoken about their positions.

Did Sayers get the Process right? Did it need to be done when it was done? In the Cold light of day, if you remove the Media blitz, it hasn't been that ugly IMHO.

Regards Cazzesman


I agree. Any rational person (ie. someone who doesn’t listen to SEN or watch Fox Footy, or at least doesn’t take the hyperbole to heart) would say that the timing of the review was sensible and that the club shouldn’t provide a running commentary on it.


The review should have been undertaken a long time ago. Long overdue. However, the review will not go far enough. The entire club should be under review. It is a shambles.

Teague has been treated poorly. Don’t think he is the right coach going forward but he has been made the scapegoat for club incompetence.

I still can’t see us contending for a while. Even with an experienced coach. So the cycle is likely to continue. I hope I am wrong. But I have little faith in this club.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:47 pm 
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Where's Walsh?
Must be tired, I know I am.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:48 pm 
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WOW wrote:
Teague has been treated poorly. Don’t think he is the right coach going forward but he has been made the scapegoat for club incompetence.

I still can’t see us contending for a while. Even with an experienced coach. So the cycle is likely to continue. I hope I am wrong. But I have little faith in this club.


How has he been treated poorly? Would you rather wait until the end of the season to call the review?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 1:20 pm 
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Whoever the new coach is next year, they should be given five years to implement what they have been brought into do. And as a community of loyal supporters, we should back this coach for the duration, anything else would just reflect the culture at the club that so many bemoan. By all means express your ideas with stability and emotion, but let's all be on the same page. The Teague Train has crashed, but from here on in, let's give total support to the new coach and inturn the club. Helpful suggestions are welcome but ranting just creates a malaise. Supporters are a big part of the club, so let's support with passion and reason for a rivatilised culture on and off the field.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 1:23 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
WOW wrote:
Teague has been treated poorly. Don’t think he is the right coach going forward but he has been made the scapegoat for club incompetence.

I still can’t see us contending for a while. Even with an experienced coach. So the cycle is likely to continue. I hope I am wrong. But I have little faith in this club.


How has he been treated poorly? Would you rather wait until the end of the season to call the review?


Don’t care when the review was called. My point is it doesn’t go far enough and should have been conducted a long time ago.

He has been treated poorly because he has received no support from the club during a difficult period and has been made the scapegoat for club ineptitude over a long period. We have been here before. The deathly silence from the club is embarrassing.

It appears the decision to replace him was made a while back (before review was concluded). The club should have told him officially at that time, so this facade could have ended in a more timely manner. Instead, we have a “dead man walking” having to face up to media scrutiny on a daily basis for an extended period. We also have an ex coach prematurely vying for his job on national TV.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 1:25 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/21/teagues-manager-slams-pretty-grubby-lyon-comments/

I heard Pickers rant this morning.

If there weren't already 3" nails on Teaguey's coffin lid, there probably is now.

He has a weekly soap box on SEN so he stood up and used it to support his client. Support is what he is paid for.

Cynics could muster a strong case to suggest it was all a bit of a 'Performance' to show his client he was still in his corner. He stated he has been Teague's manager for over 10 years.

I would love to do a flow chart about the entire review process (excluding comments from all outside media BS)

The old 'If that - Then this' hypothesis.

I'm not sure what more could have been done to conduct the review in an orderly fashion. Sayers had every right to call for the review as the incoming President.

Every move made was Criticised by the Media right from the time it was announced.

The need, The timing, The reason, The reviewers, The secrecy, The process, The findings being withheld etc, etc and on and on and on.

The Media sharks and those with vested and self interest came in their droves to take a bite at every one of the above. SEN 24/7 and the football shows smashed it to bits day in day out.

Sayers and the Board have kept the stiff upper lip through it all, baring the 'Statement of rebuttal' to the Neil Mitchell rumour'.

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe there has been any proven leaks from the Review or the Board about the process. Carolyn Wilson certainly hasn't come out with any major announcement and she is the litmus test for such things.

Even Lloyd and Wright were having coffee in public, so the talk about him possibly moving on is not actually a major secret. No-one else at the Club has spoken about their positions.

Did Sayers get the Process right? Did it need to be done when it was done? In the Cold light of day, if you remove the Media blitz, it hasn't been that ugly IMHO.

Regards Cazzesman

At this present moment sayers has handled it well , pickers is just example of the complete conflict of interest they all have in the afl

And hopefully Sayers with Teague it’s a band aid effect and tells the afl world my Monday so everyone can move on ,,

The new President need to make his presence felt next week and set a tone on how he is going to handle things especially in bad times like next week

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 1:58 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/21/teagues-manager-slams-pretty-grubby-lyon-comments/

I heard Pickers rant this morning.

If there weren't already 3" nails on Teaguey's coffin lid, there probably is now.

He has a weekly soap box on SEN so he stood up and used it to support his client. Support is what he is paid for.

Cynics could muster a strong case to suggest it was all a bit of a 'Performance' to show his client he was still in his corner. He stated he has been Teague's manager for over 10 years.

I would love to do a flow chart about the entire review process (excluding comments from all outside media BS)

The old 'If that - Then this' hypothesis.

I'm not sure what more could have been done to conduct the review in an orderly fashion. Sayers had every right to call for the review as the incoming President.

Every move made was Criticised by the Media right from the time it was announced.

The need, The timing, The reason, The reviewers, The secrecy, The process, The findings being withheld etc, etc and on and on and on.

The Media sharks and those with vested and self interest came in their droves to take a bite at every one of the above. SEN 24/7 and the football shows smashed it to bits day in day out.

Sayers and the Board have kept the stiff upper lip through it all, baring the 'Statement of rebuttal' to the Neil Mitchell rumour'.

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe there has been any proven leaks from the Review or the Board about the process. Carolyn Wilson certainly hasn't come out with any major announcement and she is the litmus test for such things.

Even Lloyd and Wright were having coffee in public, so the talk about him possibly moving on is not actually a major secret. No-one else at the Club has spoken about their positions.

Did Sayers get the Process right? Did it need to be done when it was done? In the Cold light of day, if you remove the Media blitz, it hasn't been that ugly IMHO.

Regards Cazzesman

At this present moment sayers has handled it well , pickers is just example of the complete conflict of interest they all have in the afl

And hopefully Sayers with Teague it’s a band aid effect and tells the afl world my Monday so everyone can move on ,,

The new President need to make his presence felt next week and set a tone on how he is going to handle things especially in bad times like next week


Conflict of interest or not. He's right.

The review and speculation has weighed everyone down. See by the way we have played 3 of our last 4 weeks. Got to players, supporters, coach. If we had rolled North and GC there was a reasonable chance we'd be playing a elimination type "final" today. Unfortunately when you have a sword hanging over everyone's head with a review these are the results you get. Distrust, disunity and poor efforts.

This is one time I keep the coach and put top people around him and streamline the coach's position. Like they did at Melbourne last year, Like they did at Collingwood in 2017, Richmond in 2016 and Geelong in 2006. Each one of those worked very well. Carlton would never do that though. Teague has no little support, little help and coaching, as the players have playing, with a sword hanging over their head for half a year, then we wonder why it has fallen apart the last 4 weeks. It's why we have been a failure of a club for 20 years. Like his contract only has one more year so worth trying that. If it still doesn't work then so be it.

We've upgraded some things with Lyon. We had 19 straight kicked against us last week, now we get someone who has 23 straight kicked against him in 2018. Who's 12 of his 17 10 goal losses came in his last 3 years. Will be right at home here....lol.

If we don't fix the culture no coach will succeed anyway. 6 coaching changes have proved that. Teague has been easily the 2nd best of those despite the rotten culture. Those impatient ones thinking a change of coach will do it are delusional. Might well enjoy a honeymoon for one year then down before turning to shit.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:00 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/21/teagues-manager-slams-pretty-grubby-lyon-comments/

I heard Pickers rant this morning.

If there weren't already 3" nails on Teaguey's coffin lid, there probably is now.

He has a weekly soap box on SEN so he stood up and used it to support his client. Support is what he is paid for.

Cynics could muster a strong case to suggest it was all a bit of a 'Performance' to show his client he was still in his corner. He stated he has been Teague's manager for over 10 years.

I would love to do a flow chart about the entire review process (excluding comments from all outside media BS)

The old 'If that - Then this' hypothesis.

I'm not sure what more could have been done to conduct the review in an orderly fashion. Sayers had every right to call for the review as the incoming President.

Every move made was Criticised by the Media right from the time it was announced.

The need, The timing, The reason, The reviewers, The secrecy, The process, The findings being withheld etc, etc and on and on and on.

The Media sharks and those with vested and self interest came in their droves to take a bite at every one of the above. SEN 24/7 and the football shows smashed it to bits day in day out.

Sayers and the Board have kept the stiff upper lip through it all, baring the 'Statement of rebuttal' to the Neil Mitchell rumour'.

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe there has been any proven leaks from the Review or the Board about the process. Carolyn Wilson certainly hasn't come out with any major announcement and she is the litmus test for such things.

Even Lloyd and Wright were having coffee in public, so the talk about him possibly moving on is not actually a major secret. No-one else at the Club has spoken about their positions.

Did Sayers get the Process right? Did it need to be done when it was done? In the Cold light of day, if you remove the Media blitz, it hasn't been that ugly IMHO.

Regards Cazzesman


Agree...have your own views on Teague but FFS, please do not use the hypocritocal media whirlpool as a validation for supporting Teague

This was the same media who pulverised every aspect of Teague's portfolio during the year on their footy shows

Teague will be gone next week for one simple reason...he is no flowering good as a senior AFL coach

And providing him with better assistants is like putting lipstick on a pig...not even taking into account the fact good senior assistants would learn SFA from Teague...why would they bother coming anyway????

Vive Le Review...the Revolution is upon us...AND NOT BEFORE FLOWERING TIME

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:00 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Where's Walsh?
Must be tired, I know I am.


Silly season begun four months too early around round 10. When the board did not allow football do the speaking.

Instead it created an absolute circus with clowns everywhere.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:03 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Where's Walsh?
Must be tired, I know I am.


Silly season begun four months too early around round 10. When the board did not allow football do the speaking.

Instead it created an absolute circus with clowns everywhere.

I believe rounds 1-9, the football spoke very clearly.


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Sidefx wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Where's Walsh?
Must be tired, I know I am.


Silly season begun four months too early around round 10. When the board did not allow football do the speaking.

Instead it created an absolute circus with clowns everywhere.

I believe rounds 1-9, the football spoke very clearly.


Sure played top four teams with healthy lists...

Overreacting drama queens


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:08 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Agree...have your own views on Teague but FFS, please do not use the hypocritocal media whirlpool as a validation for supporting Teague

This was the same media who pulverised every aspect of Teague's portfolio during the year on their footy shows

Teague will be gone next week for one simple reason...he is no flowering good as a senior AFL coach

And providing him with better assistants is like putting lipstick on a pig...not even taking into account the fact good senior assistants would learn SFA from Teague...why would they bother coming anyway????

Vive Le Review...the Revolution is upon us...AND NOT BEFORE FLOWERING TIME


Laidley as Senior Assistant ... we've already tried that.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:09 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
WOW wrote:
Teague has been treated poorly. Don’t think he is the right coach going forward but he has been made the scapegoat for club incompetence.

I still can’t see us contending for a while. Even with an experienced coach. So the cycle is likely to continue. I hope I am wrong. But I have little faith in this club.


How has he been treated poorly? Would you rather wait until the end of the season to call the review?


Teague was given the golden key to open up his career in AFL coaching without any due diligence. Nobody put a gun to his head and forced him to accept the job that he was too incapable of undertaking

He should feel blessed that better men before him and no doubt after him will not be afforded the indulgence he received and the opportunity to coach one of biggest AFL clubs in the country for 2.5 years

Teague has been treated magnificently by the CFC, including a high remuneration/capacity index

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:13 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Where's Walsh?
Must be tired, I know I am.


Silly season begun four months too early around round 10. When the board did not allow football do the speaking.

Instead it created an absolute circus with clowns everywhere.

I believe rounds 1-9, the football spoke very clearly.


Sure played top four teams with healthy lists...

Overreacting drama queens

RD 1 - Richmond, not top 4
RD2 - Collingwood, not top 4
RD3 - Dockers, not top 4
RD4 - Suns, not top 4
RD5 - Port, top 4
RD6 - Lions, not top 4
RD7 - Scum*, not top 4
RD8 - Bulldogs, top 4
RD9 - Melbourne, top 4
RD10 - Hawthorn, not top 4

That's 3 top 4 teams out of 10.
I don't think it's us that's overacting here.


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