I think you may have missed some I my past 20 posts.........................and yes you can possibly skip my 'Cross dressing, Hermaphrodite' post, but the rest are basically football related of sorts.................you be the judge.

Regards Cazzesman

Nah just cant be bothered responding to clowns that never post about football

I like DT alot. I met him many times way back when and he was always one of life's gentlemen.

He has done a long apprenticeship at several clubs and he knows how it all works. For whatever reasons he couldn't make it work at the Blues. I am all for giving a guy a chance but the inability to stem the bleeding game after game, suggest to me something is not right.

He is probably getting paid $500,000+ to do a job. Anybody getting paid that amount of money needs to have the skill set to get the job done in an upwards trajectory. 3 or 4 real improver's and a few others 'At required Level' is just not enough. And the Likes of Walshy and Weits would have improved under their own steam regardless.

Yes I get all the arguments about injuries, covid, politics, work cohesion etc, etc but that is the role he took on. You have to adapt and overcome adversity in life and particularly in the AFL. Adversity brings out the best in the best. As a player Teaghuey got the very best out of himself but I just haven't seen it here as a Coach. His job is to set the game plan and get the players playing that game plan.

So A) his game plan is flawed or B) he can't get the players all working together consistently. Either way it means he is struggling to connect the dots as Coach and educator. Injuries take away good players but is shouldn't effect the overall look of A) and B). Certainly you might lose without the good players but that shouldn't effect the overall game plan and player endevour.

As big Jack Reacher says 'Hope for the best and plan for the worst.' We haven't seen that Teaguey has a Plan for the worst.

Do I think the team will get better given time based on the past 2.5 years?..............maybe/don't know/could do/might not.

If the President and the Board has the same apprehension then they shouldn't procrastinate. This is a multi million dollar business organisation not a game of marbles.

If you ask the question....Who is more likely to make Carlton FC a better and more competitive team over the next 3 years - Teaghue or Lyon?

I think logically the numbers will always fall with Lyon based on his Coaching history and living through Teague's coaching history

Regards Cazzesman

Wrong thread Walshy.

You are Talking Shit here.

You have obviously no idea about Longmire and the Academy. NONE.

Stick to the facts.

I like DT alot. I met him many times way back when and he was always one of life's gentlemen.

He has done a long apprenticeship at several clubs and he knows how it all works. For whatever reasons he couldn't make it work at the Blues. I am all for giving a guy a chance but the inability to stem the bleeding game after game, suggest to me something is not right.

He is probably getting paid $500,000+ to do a job. Anybody getting paid that amount of money needs to have the skill set to get the job done in an upwards trajectory. 3 or 4 real improver's and a few others 'At required Level' is just not enough. And the Likes of Walshy and Weits would have improved under their own steam regardless.

Yes I get all the arguments about injuries, covid, politics, work cohesion etc, etc but that is the role he took on. You have to adapt and overcome adversity in life and particularly in the AFL. Adversity brings out the best in the best. As a player Teaghuey got the very best out of himself but I just haven't seen it here as a Coach. His job is to set the game plan and get the players playing that game plan.

So A) his game plan is flawed or B) he can't get the players all working together consistently. Either way it means he is struggling to connect the dots as Coach and educator. Injuries take away good players but is shouldn't effect the overall look of A) and B). Certainly you might lose without the good players but that shouldn't effect the overall game plan and player endevour.

As big Jack Reacher says 'Hope for the best and plan for the worst.' We haven't seen that Teaguey has a Plan for the worst.

Do I think the team will get better given time based on the past 2.5 years?..............maybe/don't know/could do/might not.

If the President and the Board has the same apprehension then they shouldn't procrastinate. This is a multi million dollar business organisation not a game of marbles.

If you ask the question....Who is more likely to make Carlton FC a better and more competitive team over the next 3 years - Teaghue or Lyon?

I think logically the numbers will always fall with Lyon based on his Coaching history.

Regards Cazzesman

Eh?
Deflect from what exactly?

Sad when you think of the optimism when Teague was appointed, the hope finally things would begin to align.

So what went wrong?

Those leaky goals like the Smorgon sneaky leakers of old, they just kept coming in 5s or more. In the end I think that undid the trust. That after two years nothing changed with regard to those leakages. If Teague were a plumber you'd be sueing while standing in a bog.

But what if covid played its part? The disarray of the past 2 years, the bubbles, the lack of VFL games etc. Is now a time to judge?

and then there are the injuries, any way you stroke it there were a lot of injuries.

so while I think Teague is not the answer I will be uneasy if we move again to the 'whose coached well before, grab him...'

It all reeks of a sameness, that is what worries me. Pagan Ratts Malthouse Bolton Teague now Lyon? I think I'd prefer an interview process (something we have only done re Bolton and I still think Bolton did what we needed and then we moved him on) , and a decision based on that, not a darts board choice. I hope I am wrong. I hope the club either
a) Moves Teague on and then follows a proper process to appoint the new coach
or
b) Keeps Teague and supports him with a new team of coaches.

I fear it will be c) Lyon (cos Clarkson said no).

Sad when you think of the optimism when Teague was appointed, the hope finally things would begin to align.

So what went wrong?

agree ... i cant get the past that the club has done zero to actually help teague be successful.

i said it a long time agao .. a fit curnow, a fit mcgovern with mackay firing ... and suddenly that rational of we can outscore anyone and defense doesnt matter .. really starts to look ideal.

but we are also cant ignore the 5 goals runs ... constantly happening ... the first time, 2nd time, 3rd time and forth time we can probalby live with .. but the 15th, 16th 17th time ... something is wrong if we cant address it. Ultimately that is the coaches responsibility.

and then i get back to the first point - the club has done zero to help teague .. a young coach, in his second year, dealing with covid ... and everything else ... he was never going to be successful when you reflect on it, there was just too much going against him.

Im okay with Lyon, but a bit part of me thinks, that sticking with Teague and getting the right support around him, as the better option, but you cant do that without commitement ... i.e. he cant go into next year with the certaintly of the board ... otherwise it will be the same shit i.e. 3rd week of the season 2022 ... how long before teague is replaced.

to that extent, i agree 100% with pickers as well. The handling of teague, by our club, but by the media .. and again becuase of lack of response from the club ... has been a disgrace. depsite the loss to port, our handling of teague has been the worst performance of the season!

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Sums up our last 20 years.

You forgot he was also sacked and picking up someone elses garbage.

we sacked parkin the first time too. he came back and won us the 95 premiership

we sacled walls and he came back and won us the 87 premiership

lets face it, you are biased against clarkso

And yet we currently sit 13th with the possibility of finishing up 14th behind......you guessed it, Hawthorn. Go figure.