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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:53 pm 
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Molly wrote:
I like your post SA Blue. But I don't see where we get early picks again next year. Besides Cripps, who would get us a first or even a second rounder? Maybe Gibbs or Docherty?

If we are crap again, and that is almost a given, we could get a priority pick if the AFL are serious.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:58 pm 
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lol trading doc. that's one sure fire way to kill me after trading menz.



so lock it in.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:23 pm 
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Why can't Robbie Warnock be one of your favourites.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:28 pm 
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We'll get a top 6 pick next year.
That'll be a good start.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:36 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
Why can't Robbie Warnock be one of your favourites.

if he's on the list after friday's list lodgement, I'll make him number 2 after simmo (he's been may favourite for almost a decade and survived so I think he's immune from the curse).


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:24 pm 
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Help for Cripps this year, a Murphy replacement next?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:46 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
Disagree with this section. No matter what happens in this draft I think we need to continue to seek early draft picks in 2016 and 2017. Our 2014 class is unproven at this point and outside of Cripps we have nothing to show for 2013. Our recent trading has bolstered our playing stocks from the 2011 & 2012 classes, but Jed Lamb is all we have from the 2010 group.

To me we still have a lot of holes and won't be ready to trade for established players, hit free agency hard or move away from the draft for another 3 years. Trade into early picks in 16 & 17 to complement the talent we get this year, develop cripps and the boys from the 11 & 12 drafts (Docherty, Sumner, Kerridge, Buckley, Plowman, Jaksch, Graham) and we might then have a core that we can add to through other means and move away from the draft.

The issue is how do we get into each of the next couple of drafts. It's easy to say we trade away any talent over 25, but we need to be mindful of developing a strong culture too. Casboult, Murphy, Kreuzer, Tuohy, Gibbs, Curnow, Everitt etc can be turned in to early picks, but we have to trade the right ones and keep the ones who will truly lead a young group and improve their development.


It will be interesting times ahead. I actually agree we will need to be aggressive for a while yet, but that aggression will be tempered by our success in the draft (or actually increase if we fail). Incremental or slow change is not going to build a premiership list.

Who to or not trade is going to very interesting and one that will keep these boards busy for a while.

We need to be careful not to judge these moves post event either. People will judge what SOS has done on whether we draft well or if the likes of Menzel or Yarran are great at their new teams. This is incorrect as this information is not available to us and we can only judge it's correctness on the information available at the time and the logic behind the moves.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:25 pm 
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The day we trade Gibbs is the day I acknowledge the club is fair dinkum about moving forward.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:49 pm 
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So we should have kept players who couldn't give a shit so that we had something 'good' to trade next year?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:03 pm 
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Megaman wrote:
So we should have kept players who couldn't give a shit so that we had something 'good' to trade next year?


That's the wrong take on my question Megaman. People are talking about us having high draft picks again next year. I'm just saying we will have trouble trading into either the first or second rounds given what is left of our list. Doesn't mean we shouldn't have completed the trades we did this year. It is more a comment on the moribund state of our list.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:14 pm 
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The day we trade Gibbs is the day I acknowledge the club is fair dinkum about moving forward.


Agree


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:29 pm 
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Provided they don't make any more Pagan Malthouse decisions the list should start to take care of itself.
We don't need to chuck the baby out with the bath water if we have a hiccup along the way like we did with Ratten.
You need to establish a core group of players all on the same page as the coaching staff all working towards the same goal.
Getting good draft picks is fine but once you have established a game style that suits your playing group keep working on it and play to their strengths not change up because plan x worked here with these blokes so it should work here as well

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:31 pm 
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SA Blue wrote:
Molly wrote:
I like your post SA Blue. But I don't see where we get early picks again next year. Besides Cripps, who would get us a first or even a second rounder? Maybe Gibbs or Docherty?


That is the difficult part. That decision will depend on our asseement of this years draft crop. If we believe we have made 3/4 top choices then the requirements for picks is less. If we feel we have made mistakes, there will be some uncomrfortable conversations about players like Gibbs and Docherty.


Gibbs I can understand but why the hell would be look to trade Docherty? It just makes no sense. He's only just turned 22.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:36 pm 
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SA Blue wrote:
Molly wrote:
I like your post SA Blue. But I don't see where we get early picks again next year. Besides Cripps, who would get us a first or even a second rounder? Maybe Gibbs or Docherty?


That is the difficult part. That decision will depend on our asseement of this years draft crop. If we believe we have made 3/4 top choices then the requirements for picks is less. If we feel we have made mistakes, there will be some uncomrfortable conversations about players like Gibbs and Docherty.


Gibbs I can understand but why the hell would be look to trade Docherty? It just makes no sense. He's only just turned 22.


Doc won't go. He loves the club and plays like it.

Gibbs should go but probably won't.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:57 pm 
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Gibbs still has upside.

Murphy on the other hand... could see him doing a Goddard/DalSanto....


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Sydney Blue wrote:
Provided they don't make any more Pagan Malthouse decisions the list should start to take care of itself.
We don't need to chuck the baby out with the bath water if we have a hiccup along the way like we did with Ratten.
You need to establish a core group of players all on the same page as the coaching staff all working towards the same goal.
Getting good draft picks is fine but once you have established a game style that suits your playing group keep working on it and play to their strengths not change up because plan x worked here with these blokes so it should work here as well


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:08 pm 
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yes, let’s get rid of everyone that was repressed under micky and his stifling game plan

or maybe we can see how we go with a new coach, a new game plan, new enthusiasm, and fit players before we delist/trade every player that has played more than 10 games and some senior experience and leadership :donk:


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:55 pm 
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The only players with any currency who are candidates for trading next year would be Gibbs and Kreuzer.

Docherty is the age you want to grow with these younger players.

Still too early to make decisions though.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 6:19 pm 
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I predict Gibbs will have a breakout year next year.
Should be made captain.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:23 pm 
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Kreuzer , Murphy and Thomas will very have good seasons too, one should think.
With a refreshed, energized and strong coaching panel with good leadership our better player will benefit immediately.
Can't wait should be -a very interesting journey ahead.

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