This club is in disarray

Can't believe after just one game, the focus has become whether we sack or resign our coach

If the club falls for this crap then we are in bigger trouble than I thought

As was originally stated, we need to stay the course and make a decision towards the end of the year

If we do sack him, then for the love of god, go through a proper process of appointing a new coach. Simply appointing someone like Voss will infuriate the masses.

Any organisation worth its salt can give a rough pass mark for their employees to aim at though.

Even if they reneg, make the people happy by giving them a good idea. Or maybe they've been too specific? Let's not assume Mick's gone mad and the new President and reshuffled board suddenly know 100% what they're doing, perhaps?

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Not to mention being foolish.

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

Maybe, perhaps, maybe.
You're the one assuming.
You're whole premise is based on an assumption with no basis whatsoever. Let's stick with the facts. The club have stated they'll wait until later in the year to discuss contracts. Malthouse has admitted that was clearly conveyed to him.
He however wants to play it out through the media.

Everything else is guess work. You don't know if he's been given KPIs. You don't know whether minimum requirements have been discussed. Why base your entire argument on absolute speculation?

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

All I'm assuming is rational actors and the typical efforts of incumbents and inexperienced operators. MLG might be a fairly shrewd operator in business but professional sport is a weird blend of his talents and some that he may not have. Mick's no fool and wouldn't rock the boat internally or be seen to be externally unless he felt there was poor form.

He did sign the contract to prepare Buckley, did he not?

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

It's just very ordinary form from MM that most people can see through.
We all know it's not about the assistants. Shows how insecure he really is.
As someone so eloquently said: STFU and get coaching.

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I just want my old club back ... (edit) maybe I have!

Yep it's all about him. Cannot even get the players remotely giving a shit, but it's not his fault.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt but now I think he has to go.

Fair enough we don't have the talent, but to see this team not amped and pumped for the first game just sucks. Who's fault is that Micky?

This team is shit, and I have never felt so hollow about this team. We don't seem to have made any inroads. But that's ok all they care about his the hovercraft, and pyro technics. Like we give a shut about that?

Starting from our so called Captain Murphy who has zero passion to everyone else.

Look at Gibbs with the Pang guy on Instagram, promoting his stupid clothes line with his tshirt. That's all our players care about- Money and business. There is no hurt about we lose, just excuses.

Same shit different year hey..

It wouldn't infuriate me.

Voss isn't ideal either but he fronts the media acceptably.

Voss came from being an icon for the Lions. His emotional attachment having played and won premierships as captain would have been immense. He was the epitome of everything the Lions stood for for over a decade. To translate that into a coaching role is a massive task to undertake.

He has none of that with us. Supported us as a junior from memory but that's it.

Sign him up.

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We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion.

If he doesn't like they uncertainty we should tell him now he won't be there next year.

I did give him the benefit of the doubt but he has made the side worse since taking over. Some may say it would have happened anyway, but we can only go on what we have seen.

We have also had 5 players who were regulars and good players under ratten now elsewhere and in their sides best 22 (Eddie, jeffy, robbo, Waite and Laidler) and the replacements brought in have been worse in most cases. In saying that, Docherty especially and Everett are very good pick ups though and letting Hampson go was a good move.

So yes bugger Mick off, and have a process to get the best guy for the job, as well as bolstering all football operations in coaching, player development and recruiting.

I agree, what have they done thus far to demand re-signing. If they are as good as what Mick thinks we would win games and the board would have no issue re-signing all of them.

It's pretty clear from the board in this case and Mick pulled this crap before in 2011 at the Pies

Does anyone know more about what happened there?

Eddie is a spin doctor of the highest order and has no shortage of mates to make him look good any time someone tries to go toe to toe with him in a remotely public fashion, so I've no interest in what view the media has formed on Mick. Didn't start really getting stuck into his press conferences until after Eddie got rid of him.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/m ... %20sun_rss

Mick Malthouse shouldn’t be re-signed by Carlton as coach, says Mark Maclure

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

How typically pathetic it would be if a successor is already known should Malthouse not get an extension.

When you see a side like The Dawks coached by a great modern coach like Clarkson ... you realise just how far off the mark we really are. It was always a crazy knee jerk reaction to get the Madhouse ... to say it was Dumb would be a compliment. However, the super duper coach should see out his contract. If he somehow manages to turn things around and at least get us back to where we were when he took charge ... then maybe ... just maybe he could be considered for another year.

However, such is the myth about his coaching skills that the reality is they will lock him in again unless we have a complete and utter disaster (less than 4 wins).

Come on Madhouse ... DO SOMETHING!

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Both parties need to simply walk away and we probably need to go back to the ratten era to see why

Ratten ended up doing well with what he had. Losing Fevola cost us a prelim or two, but Murphy and Gibbs are not what everyone thought they would become. He should have realised earlier and mick should realise now. They are liabilities defensively in the midfield and that has hurt us for the last decade when we play sides like the swans and Hawks that can easily bully them. Judd is similar but the difference between Judd and the other two is that he hurts opposition more consistently than the other two.

Ratten revamped the forward line into a mobile group of small to medium targets. It worked well but it wouldn't hold up in finals pressure and he went to the 2010 draft to recruit talls. A dud draft and a panicked response from a junior inexperienced coach. He needed help.

The last year of Ratts term was injury torn and he kept playing them because he was trying to survive. A better club would have realised this.

Now for mick. He came in and dismantled the small forward line with no succession plan other than Casbolt henderson jones and Watson. He still does not recognise our midfield has systemic deficiencies. His first draft year was about selling books and now he has the hide to destabilise the club by running to the media and saying unless he is signed, it will be destabilising for the players. He has done this twice in a month now. Why keep saying it except for selfish reasons and having an 'out' for failure. He says he is doing it for his staff, but that is rubbish.

We essentially traded Betts, Garlett, Waite, Robinson for Dale Thomas- that is what it boils down to.

We need to ask ourselves are we are better club now than before Mick started? Definitely no. Are likely to be in 2 years? No. Will one more term of Mick leave a legacy that may last a decade? Unlikely. Is there anyone better out there to replace him? haven't even thought about it. But I think that Mick is not our way forward.-I am not sure who is but he certainly is not

Mick is a good Coach and his Record speaks for itself but the Scary part that I hope is not happening is that the Senior Players have Stopped playing for him and under him...

Murphy, Gibbs and few others just don't seem to be interested anymore... they are not putting their bodies on the line... they Seem lost, confused and fed up with Mick's game plan and team decisions...

As a Result, he has to go ASAP... A new Coach isn't going to change anything... We are still going to Struggle because we don't have the depth to cause any upsets but at least we can start Fresh with a Young Coach like Voss and Get some decent Recruiting Managers who can get us some early good Picks...It's the only way to rebuild...

STOP getting Recycled Rubbish who will never take the Club anywhere...

Did gibbs make his contract which was definitely a distraction last year a distraction? My opinion is that he did not. It was all media beat up. Do we call gibbs media savvy? No. Perhaps mick was just being honest and drawing on his years of experience with contract renewals, and stating a fact.

I expect us to be 1-4 or 2-3 after 5 rounds - which is about right and reflects the poor talent on our list.

If we are 0-5 then we should start the hunt for a new coach immediately and let Laidley take over for the rest of the season.

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

From the coach who thinks he's God to the coach they call Bible.
We certainly are paying for our sins.

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I just want my old club back ... (edit) maybe I have!