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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 5:09 pm 
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Walsh has been carrying a hip injury for certain for over a month….it was reported as such at the time.

We wouldn’t be playing him if his back was compromised.

A little bit catastrophic to suggest his days are numbered


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 6:35 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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just a question / Sam Walsh if IF we can get 2 first rnd picks do we make a deal ,listen. Reason for this thought is that i have witnessed him crabbing his back during games and it concern for the future . Take the emotion out of your mind what do we do?


Is he grabbing his back because it is damaged beyond repair and hurts, or because he receives no umpire protection when his back is the target for the opposition knees and elbows, and his hand on back is a normal human reflex action to the attention in that area?

Walsh is an elite midfielder. Turns 23 in 2024.

2021 30 Brownlow Votes
2023 Ayres Medal for best player in Finals (and didnt play in the GF)

2024 Came back in round 5 and looked like he didnt miss a beat



absolutely he is elite. he's also had microdisectomy surgery at 21. the possibility a 24 game season and finals is beyond his capacity is plausible. he tailed off pretty drastically after his 6 or 7 game stretch of 30+ possessions.

to say he's been a passenger in the last month and a half is an understatement. he has the 5th worst F50 delivery among midfielders in the entire afl. he's turnovers have cost us goals, and in the majority of games where we've lost by only a goal or two, his output could have been the difference in wins and losses.


i would listen to offers if they came this summer. i'd even offer him in a package to bring in an elite mid.

word out there is zac butters wants to come home to vicco this summer. would a deal centering walsh, a prospect (maybe binns) and a draft pick get us Butters?

would it get bailey smith if we offered walsh and a 1/ 2nd round?

:lol: :lol: Jesus.... That's a beauty :lol:

To even arrive at the idea is some 'activities need to be monitored' type of stuff... but to then think you could package him up, busted as he is, for one of the premier mids in the comp...

Do all of your hats have propellers on them, or it that just the dress uniform?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 6:58 pm 
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Walsh plus a 1st/2nd round for Bailey Smith is bloody insane.

Am I seriously the only one here who doesn't believe in BS?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 7:05 pm 
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Crusader wrote:

:lol: :lol: Jesus.... That's a beauty :lol:

To even arrive at the idea is some 'activities need to be monitored' type of stuff... but to then think you could package him up, busted as he is, for one of the premier mids in the comp...

Do all of your hats have propellers on them, or it that just the dress uniform?



well, well, well... if it's not the biggest bellend in bendigo on another crusade.


it's a shame the olympics are over and that thread has died... it was nice in the carlton part of the board not having to scroll through tons of your insights and superior knowledge you clearly have over everyone else.

lol the brains of bendigo.



in all seriousness tho... there'll be a team out there that'd look at our incompetent HP dept, our injuries list and take a run at a 23 yr old former #1 walsh thinking they can fix him and get him on the park. if they can get him for 70 cents in the dollar & some picks, i guarantee we could deal him.

if they have a disgruntled mid like butters or smith ... maybe we can get them.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 7:08 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Walsh plus a 1st/2nd round for Bailey Smith is bloody insane.

Am I seriously the only one here who doesn't believe in BS?




maybe? i think he's a gun and his best is as good as anyone getting around. he doesn't like bevo, so i'm not even sure we've seen his best.


edit: i meant a 1st or a 2nd, not both, btw ...


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 8:51 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Walsh plus a 1st/2nd round for Bailey Smith is bloody insane.

Am I seriously the only one here who doesn't believe in BS?


No and some of our supporters…..


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:28 pm 
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Let's not forget Walsh was awarded the best player in last years finals series. When he's fit, he's a gun. You don't get rid of young players of that quality.
Not to mention the impact it would have on morale. You can't break players down and then flick them after you've wrecked them. We'd have players walking out the door.
Our best players are still in their prime. Yes we've had a shit finish to the year but we've been decimated by injury. We don't need wholesale changes. A key defender and a mid with pace would transform our side. We've got all the other bases covered.
Let's hope the list management team are doing their ground work now.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:40 pm 
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If Gov plays the next 4 matches then he'll have 40 across 2 seasons (43 when they give us the @#$%&! cup). I don't want to tempt fate, but he's no longer one of the names I think of when we talk about brittle players. More in the "needs to be 'managed' occasionally" category.
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:53 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
McMahon should at least be rookie listed.
We draft Lemmey who looks Miles off it yet this bloke is killing it.
Agree
He's got some go in him Liam. Loves a goal and is a competitor.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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BigGartos wrote:
deano35 wrote:
McMahon should at least be rookie listed.
We draft Lemmey who looks Miles off it yet this bloke is killing it.
Agree
He's got some go in him Liam. Loves a goal and is a competitor.

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I have to admit, I thought he was a certainty this midseason draft.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Blue Vain wrote:
Let's not forget Walsh was awarded the best player in last years finals series. When he's fit, he's a gun. You don't get rid of young players of that quality.
Not to mention the impact it would have on morale. You can't break players down and then flick them after you've wrecked them. We'd have players walking out the door.
Our best players are still in their prime. Yes we've had a shit finish to the year but we've been decimated by injury. We don't need wholesale changes. A key defender and a mid with pace would transform our side. We've got all the other bases covered.
Let's hope the list management team are doing their ground work now.




i'm in the thinking we need a morale & cultural shift ... we didn't wreck sam, he kinda does it himself. a few people around his back rehab had to clip his wings and ground him bcos he overtrains and runs himself into the ground. he was allowed to do that again this last offseason. his back was an overuse/ stress reaction - and this year has been a write off for him.

but i'm that impatient and sick of fkn losing, so i'm ready to really throw all the dice in the air and try something. generational spine, and we're watching it go to waste. we're more st kilda right now and for the last two decades, and i want to be carlton. to borrow vince lombardi - i wanna break some eggs to make the omelette


zac butters wants out of port, i'm trying to make that happen at all costs - even if i'm paying overs.

probably a good thing i'm not allowed anywhere near the carlton front office :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:40 am 
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Not sure how good this posters info is these days.
Marc Shmurf 3 on BF saying we have met with Petracca.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:59 am 
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Being Capt Obvious..............From a mate who is very close to the family...........It should come as no surprise that the Trac's parents are not happy with Melbourne. His mother is furious.

Trac is frustrated with a number of things, including the culture of a small group who aren't as professional as he would like.

My mate doesn't think he will leave because the cost would be so high for another club i.e. Wages and Trade pick costs.

I think it would be bigger than the Judd trade. He's 28 so probably got 4-5 good years. A team would almost have to give up 2 years worth of 1st round draft picks for him.

We sold the house for Judd and it almost worked. It might have been worth it then, owing to the Club's position, but I don't think it would be now. We have 6 Top end players to build a team around. Is a 7th one going to make all the difference?

Sure I would love him, but I worry it just wrecks a club for the long term if the success doesn't come.

I would love us to take a long hard look at Barrass. A Barrass/Weitering duo is more exciting to me.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Yeah, I fear that pursuing Petracca would be another case of us going for the Last Big Thing instead of the Next Big Thing. Something was mentioned on ABC AFL Daily about him suffering some emotional trauma around his injuries, which is a red flag. Butters is the pony to bet on if rumours are true that he wants out. I really think next season is our last chance to swing for the fences on this squad, and realistically I don't think it's gonna happen, so any deal that involves big draft sacrifices on a short term asset is not one I'd support.


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 Post subject: List Management 2024
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Yeah I'd have question marks over how he's going to be post-injury. Some players are just never the same and that was a life changing injury.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Yeah I'd have question marks over how he's going to be post-injury. Some players are just never the same and that was a life changing injury.
Same

Got a feeling if he goes anywhere it'll be Pies

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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CK95 wrote:
missnaut wrote:
Yeah I'd have question marks over how he's going to be post-injury. Some players are just never the same and that was a life changing injury.
Same

Got a feeling if he goes anywhere it'll be Pies

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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GreatEx wrote:
Yeah, I fear that pursuing Petracca would be another case of us going for the Last Big Thing instead of the Next Big Thing. Something was mentioned on ABC AFL Daily about him suffering some emotional trauma around his injuries, which is a red flag. Butters is the pony to bet on if rumours are true that he wants out. I really think next season is our last chance to swing for the fences on this squad, and realistically I don't think it's gonna happen, so any deal that involves big draft sacrifices on a short term asset is not one I'd support.


Butters wants out ? is that right ?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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it is right mick ... he wants to be back in vicco, not happy in adelaide.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Braithy wrote:
it is right mick ... he wants to be back in vicco, not happy in adelaide.

Get......he's exactly what our midfield needs.
I reckon we'd have to trade something of value to get him though, especially to clear cap space.


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