our list has holes. 100%.

but the way we play is also horrible. the same mids tore the comp apart in 2023 with run and desire, and playing fast. that game Vs the pies was what we could be, if we took the shackles off, imo. we outplayed them at their own game, and ran them off the park. the ball moves faster than the foot.

the game Vs the cats was still maybe the best game i've seen us play since the 99 prelim.

we just moved the ball at all costs. backed each other up and ran with dare and belief. this list could play that way. we won't win a flag, probably won't make the 8. but it'd be an engaging season.

watching them serve up what they did after HT last night is exactly what they've served up since 2023. it's not good. it doesn't work and it's crazy we haven't added one single wrinkle since then.

I missed a chunk of Q3 while putting the kids to bed - although that was the stretch between Curnow's 1st and Pitto's 3rd where we actually broke even - and my take was the opposite of yours: I could see we were still committed to fast ball movement, and we did score 4.2 in the Quarter from Hell where in past seasons we would have scored 0.1, but my frustration was that for all the talk of the short passing game (Brisbane-inspired?) we'd developed over the summer, we never once tried to take the pace out of the game and chip it around for a while, save for one switch back and forth across the D50 that ended with Saad attempting an impossible angled daisy-cutter into the corridor that got swallowed up for a turnover goal. I know many fans have said they don't mind us taking a spanking or two as the price for us developing a bold, fast-moving game plan, but in times of abject humiliation you should be able to stem the bleeding.

Sorry but have to disagree, the difference was the lack of pace and agility from Cripps, Hewett, Walsh and Lord vs Gulden, Heeny, and Warner. Our top six was the problem, not our bottom six. Oh and Grundy vs Pittonet/Reidy

Yep. We played 2 of Cripps, Hewett and Lord in there at the same time. Talk about doubling down.

everything you say, is leading where i was going.

it's not as much the players, as the player's instructions from the coaching group. we are poorly coached. we've barely added anything to the gameplan since 2023. that isn't on the playing group, but the minds behind it.

correct $100 he makes the same mistakes next week

Yeah - I believe that's called agreeing with me. Sack Voss and it doesn't change the list just because there's a coaching change. The list was built for an antiquated brand of football and will take time to remedy. So many people saw the writing on the wall and no one at the club did. The very reason I do not buy a membership.

And you idiots get on here and scream for Elijah. Can't kick, can't run. As clueless as the club.

A bit rich calling passionate Carlton supporters as idiots, when you can’t put your hand in your pocket and buy a membership

We agree to disagree.

IMO a positive is the gameplan this pre-season has changed and we saw it in the practice matches and we saw it for a half in the OR : run, carry, play on, fast ball movement, spread at the contest was more focused and in addition to contested footy. Thats coaching led. Meaningless as two preseason matches wins were - THAT game plan won them..... Its a big lot of stuff yeah? Sooooo given the excellent support for Voss, implemented by our CEO, given this was clearly a defined focused gameday change to how we will play, then it seems clear the fitness/conditioning coaches/program was left behind?

So to me they need to be focusing here moving forward.

The list has had ALOT of changes which we have not seen much of yet. Maybe give them some time?

PS: We will Beat Tigers next week.....

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Cripps is the man

Yep , its not gonna click overnight .

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All my dangerous friends

A change of coach won't fix it.

But Voss's style of football has broken us and led to shit recruiting decisions.

I've been sick of him for a while.

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Congratulations CK95

I just want to add ONE thing to the statement we recruited the wrong people and traded the incorrect one's in. I agree 100% but, and there is a big BUT;

You don't build a list around 5 contested players with no run.
You build a list with all types, inside/ouside mids, fast wingers, good users, defensive mindset players, high IQ, talls, smalls, introverts, extroverts, etc. This includes trading in what you DON'T have - not what is available but is more of what you have!!!

We have NFI. We keep doing the same mistakes over and over and over again.

Ah sorry I misread “ It's a bottom third side”, as “ It's the bottom third of the side”

This is year 5 of Voss... it's his list and his (slightly modified for '06) game plan. He needs to make it work this year.

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“I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” ― Richard Feynman

Yeah that's what I mean I think. The coach is entitled to influence the recruiting decisions to enable his game style.

But his shit game style has always been 'one or two players' away.

You could put the top 5 draft picks from the past ten years in this side under that game style and they would break, they would be exhausted, they would hate their time at the club and leave.

I was over it and I'm over it again.

I want to be wrong. But I don't think I will be.

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Congratulations CK95

YES

Maybe....

The swans played their unicorn and it was one of those games that the ball bounced their way, for the whole of the 3rd Qtr. It looked that way. Swans players were really playing Russian Roulette running away from the contest ahead of the ball.

Lets let things settle.

Maybe Vossy is giving blocks of games to the newboys Chesser and reidy, Byrne and Young.F
Maybe the loss of Haynes O'Farrell, Newman, Carroll, Cowan, Wilson Evans and Cerra has forced us to play players to fill their holes. Robbing Peter to play Paul.
I havent even mentioned forgetten man Cottrell who was an auto selection since 2022.

Williams looked good in the guts during praccy games, despite playing training with HB all preseason.

Let things settle.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

I think everyone agrees with this comment, even Vossy. He needs it to work.

Not sure if its his list. I'm sure he'd like TDK as his first ruck, O'Farrell at CHB, Williams in the midfield with Smith, but I agree he's had input and shaped the list.

Regardless, youre correct Hornet, he needs to make it work THIS YEAR.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

What do you think about Boak?
Would he want to stay if Voss got the ass?

Not sure why we need 2 x leadership consultants

We have 12 more games until we play Richmond again.
Out of those 12 we will be lucky to win one (roos).

Wright and Davies will have a tricky job to set a pass mark for Voss.

Boak sitting on the bench looking on tonight must have been questioning his life choices

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