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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:09 pm 
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ScottSaunders2 wrote:
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And Cripps absolutely hated the simmo Murphy carrying off Gibbs last year and words were exchanged after the game about this ...

That made me happy when I just got told that , he does care for the club


this actually makes me happy.

i get that they are mates, i get that they played together for along time ... but i thought it was a disgrace when we chaired him off .. after we lost too from memory in what was an important game for us ... i was fility ..

gibbs was not a carlton player and hadnt been for a few years ...

that action was everything that was wrong with the club to be honest ... and i have all the time in the world for the players to be mates, but thats a beer in the rooms after the game ... its not chairing him off ..

curnow really seems the last of the old brigade ... and if he doesnt toe the line id ship him off too .. (again no disrespect to curnow or his career ... but we need to be one club, moving forward as one club, all with a win at all cost attitude)

Curnow already signed for a year he is the last of the brigade and we all know which coach loves a tagger !! Haha


yep, realise that, but i honestly cant see Curnow being an issue ... he seems a quality soldier so to speak .. give him a task and he will complete with minimial fuss .. id be staggered if he wasnt doing everything he could (one of the few that appears to bust his gut every game) he was just the only play i could think of that i would consider part of the "senior group"

He is a true clubman

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:44 pm 
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With the old brigade all but gone, here's hoping some shitty culture and plenty of mental scarring has gone with them.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:33 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
With the old brigade all but gone, here's hoping some shitty culture and plenty of mental scarring has gone with them.

Perfectly put and ameen to that !!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:34 pm 
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So Casboult and Betts were the issue.....yeah right.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:49 pm 
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While my comments in this thread may be seen as being anti-Teague, I am of the view that if the review indicated that he should stay, then that's fine as long as we obtain proper support.

However, what troubled me is that it does not explain the 5+ goal streaks, the inability to defend, the structures (or lack thereof) for defence and transition.

Sure we have a broken culture and we need to fix that. Unfortunately until "old" Carlton leaves, it won't happen. I suppose that means us members need to be more proactive and keep the Board accountable.

However, I still cannot understand how anyone can explain the issues we witness on the field. Sure we've had some injuries but so do Hawthorn. Even when we had a more healthy list than now, the same things happened.

Things aren't adding up. I don't doubt that there are political machinations going on.

The whole club is sick. And we'll need more than a Dr Edelsten to get us through it.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:18 pm 
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One question how does ‘old’ Carlton have a bad culture when old Carlton were successful.
Do people even realise what they are saying.......goodness.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:23 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
One question how does ‘old’ Carlton have a bad culture when old Carlton were successful.
Do people even realise what they are saying.......goodness.


If they are shitcanning old Carlton then nuh .

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:36 pm 
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Politics pervades every club and organisation, it only becomes an issue when you have a culture of underperformance. The Collingwood game in Rd 2 started the rot because it was the most poorly coached game I can remember, and our season never recovered. Such a crucial week to make a statement and we failed. The rest is history.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:50 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
One question how does ‘old’ Carlton have a bad culture when old Carlton were successful.
Do people even realise what they are saying.......goodness.


Old Carlton relies on money and fails to take into account the new playing field brought about by equalisation strategies like the salary cap and the draft.

It appears the Board are not the only people who have failed to recognise or understand this.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:04 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
So Casboult and Betts were the issue.....yeah right.


But they are both "former player newly retired"....

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:06 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
So Casboult and Betts were the issue.....yeah right.



Eddie the exception. I'm tipping Levi has his share of mental scarring.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:06 pm 
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ScottSaunders2 wrote:
If Ross the boss happens ... and he brings Lenny hays with him ...

Ross Lyon
Lenny Hayes
Luke power



If we don't have the right culture with those involved .. then we know it's not a coach issue ...


Did you watch that Amazon Prime documentary from last year? Hayes is dumb as a door knob.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:33 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
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Will these "senior players" who haven't bought into Teague's vision still be on the playing list next year?

Yes ....


are any of these players in the leadership group?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:50 pm 
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CarltonClem wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
One question how does ‘old’ Carlton have a bad culture when old Carlton were successful.
Do people even realise what they are saying.......goodness.


Old Carlton relies on money and fails to take into account the new playing field brought about by equalisation strategies like the salary cap and the draft.

It appears the Board are not the only people who have failed to recognise or understand this.


20 years of failure, 3 f@#ing rebuilds and I don’t know how many coaches, 1 finals appearance and you still don’t get it. What else can anyone possible add!

One more thing, just remember when the Pratt’s and Mathieson’s, etc. came back on to the board and maybe, just maybe you’ll work out how we actually paid out the debt as well.

I do give up sometimes with all you newbies....


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:35 pm 
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Walsh vs Synbad, hazard a guess not in the same weight division. The latter is heavy weight


Would of been epic to see the Synbad takedowns of Walsh.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:36 pm 
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I’m not sure Synbad v Walsh would be much of a fight… they’d probably agree on many things, esp the Board?

Sounding like we’re going to go for Lyon or Clarkson.
I can make a case for/against both but truth is either is a pretty good result, I would have thought.
Very ballsy move to appoint a rookie after the past 5-6 yrs.


Board, yes, Teague, I don't think they would.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:22 am 
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Where is Walsh, Azzablue's revelations backup his Teague support more than anything.

Pretty much backs up what I have wanted the whole time, bolster the football department around Teague and go again next year.

As for the R2 game being bad, it was, but seems as a club we go into full on panic/ass covering/blame shifting mode when things get tough. All clubs have poor performances, its how you bounce back from there (we did win our next 2 actually), but as a club we tend to implode and panic, then the board get impatient, and the money men who have NFI want decisions made.

So basically regardless who is coach, I can't see things changing much, unless things on-field go right, forever. We may get a good year, but as soon as we have a poor run of games and/or season, the club will panic again and we will go through the whole thing again.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 6:14 am 
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azzablue wrote:
And Cripps absolutely hated the simmo Murphy carrying off Gibbs last year and words were exchanged after the game about this ...

That made me happy when I just got told that , he does care for the club


I’ve been pretty vocal on Murphy across forums and social media. No coincidence he was leader through the worst period of our history.

Our culture will improve significantly with him moved on IMO.

How did you not stick around for one more game to see out Betts and Levi when you’re fit?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:25 am 
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bender wrote:
azzablue wrote:
DLC wrote:
Will these "senior players" who haven't bought into Teague's vision still be on the playing list next year?

Yes ....


are any of these players in the leadership group?

You have answered your own question ...

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:33 am 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
Where is Walsh, Azzablue's revelations backup his Teague support more than anything.

Pretty much backs up what I have wanted the whole time, bolster the football department around Teague and go again next year.

As for the R2 game being bad, it was, but seems as a club we go into full on panic/ass covering/blame shifting mode when things get tough. All clubs have poor performances, its how you bounce back from there (we did win our next 2 actually), but as a club we tend to implode and panic, then the board get impatient, and the money men who have NFI want decisions made.

So basically regardless who is coach, I can't see things changing much, unless things on-field go right, forever. We may get a good year, but as soon as we have a poor run of games and/or season, the club will panic again and we will go through the whole thing again.

Mm retiring is going to be definite help the playing group and the club are going to throw money at the restructuring the footy dept

Whatever the New head coach wants he is going. To get ..

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