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It's amazing how average players can become AA quality when they're part of premiership team: see Nick Maxwell.

Plus we're going to struggle to get many players in the All Australian side given who selects the team.

Don't worry about AA nominations, we haven't had Rising Star nomination for 3 seasons.

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Good to see you are still spruiking the clubs propaganda

Because I am not in the inner circle but you aren't means I'm full of shit right?? What a crock !

How many top quality players do the top clubs have vs us?

But most clubs are paying 95-100%

Not much room for maneuver

Stop pulling the left leg mate

Club is a disgrace lets leave it at that and not fool everyone

That's why we have wasted prime picks, have rookies as our next wave midfield, have SFA KPs, under performing rucks, and SFA depth

How's about you type for all of us the top quality players for Syd,Freo, Haw, Coll, Geel, and Carl...

were close
theyre better than us so should pay more
freo have room...
they are on the hunt for someone they need..

we are a bit pot bound...still...

we made the finals this year.... chances are our salary cap might be blown apart after the huge year we had

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Dont ask him for any facts or justification of his views Brad.
You're just spruiking the clubs propaganda!

Just accept everything you read is true. OK?

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well he was right about one thing and factually correct

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Anyway the gf highlighted to me.. how much every club can improve

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Too true.

But how do you do it? Being innovative. Clarkson is a filthy sniper but he's evolved their list and their gamestyle.
The Hawthorn gameplan is unrecognisable to their last premiership gameplan.

Yesterday confirmed to me that you have to adapt. Not just during coaching tenures but during seasons as well. Hawthorn are playing different footy now to earlier in the season. They're harder to prepare against. Even Sydney realised their totally defensive style under Roos was doomed. They introduced pace. Ran and carried the ball more. Used the corridor more.
Its how Geelong won 3 flags. Finals football.

Look at us. Look at Freo. Unable or unwilling to adapt. Continuing to kick down the line and turn absolute possession into a 50/50 contest.
You cant rely on assembling the best list to win a grand final.FMD, we'll be waiting 15 years! Sometimes the coaches have to step up and play a part. Hawthorn won in 08 off the back of Clarksons innovation. Longmire transformed Sydneys gamestyle with pace and run last year. What are we doing different to Collingwood of many years ago? What are Freo doing thats different to St Kilda 5 years ago?

Lyon and Malthouse. 9 Grand Finals between them since 2000 for 1 win. Coincidence or just bad luck?

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No I agree the club is [REDACTED]. I don't know how close we are to be close to the salary cap, so I was asking you to explain it.

Never claimed I'm in the inner circle of the club, I'm not, so I avoid making statements making out I know anything about it. What I do at times is question those here who make out they know something, its not spreading propaganda. If you do know something, please tell us how close we are to being close to the salary cap.

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BV i agree re getting the best list is impossibe..
but finding players who are suited to the trends of the game is key

guys that are adaptable

we dont have many of those
and we certainly didnt have money for coaches last year

freo did very well and ross did a good ob taking them into the grand final.. as with stkilda.. the players let the club down .. i dot think his style did

one offs are about could haves or should haves if you have lost...

neither side executed well on the day.... one won and deservedly so...
but on the day neither side were up there.

happens.. and it did...

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9 grand finals is a massive achievement

Evidence both guns.

big bodied mids - Mundy Fyffe Lewis Sewell........

we need Bell Gibbs Walker Cachia and a few more to step up

little fellas like Temay Graham Buckley I'm not sure about

Graham is taller than Sewell and considering how much time he puts in at the gym his body should develop accordingly.

The kid holds his ground very well even at this stage.

he is exactly what ud hope to get with pick 50 odd..

but he wont be a game changer.....

them u still have to accumulate

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To be fair Carrots has been injured a fair bit in the last two of seasons.

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How many grand final losses have Carlton played in?
The answer...who gives a @#$%&!. Its about premierships.
Celebrating grand final appearances is for losers like St Kilda.

Ross is a nobody until he wins a flag.

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Why do you have to be a game changer?
Frankiln and Rioli are considered "game changers" but it wasn't them that won them the GF.

Mitchell is a game changer but he wasn't picked up until into the third round of the 2001 draft after being overlooked in 2000

Anyway the comparison was against the big body Sewell who's shorter than Graham and was picked up as a rookie anyway.

ah yes ... before u can play in the big one.. u must win plenty of others.

and although there were no game changers or few in that game.. you need them for the whole of the season.
its why hawthorn and everybody else dont trade theirs

look yesterday was a crap GF...a couple of good players in each team

i thought mzungu was excellent along with fyffee and sandilands
and i thought lake and the little aussie bleeder were fantastic

apart from that not too many others inspired

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The game as a whole didn't inspire, so I wouldn't be taking anything out of it as a model for the future.

Anyway, my pointing to the fact stands. Graham is taller than Sewell and will likely be a bigger bodied mid-fileder.

How good a one though, is anyones guess. It's up to him.