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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:16 pm 
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Great trading result. I'm looking forward to Picks 1, 8, 11, 19 and SOS junior. They and Cripps are the future of our club. As mentioned we needed to get rid of the lazy players who couldn't lead the team when the chips were down and put in players that want to have a crack. That is why I hope Armfield stays (at least one more year). I'd be glad to see the end of Warnock and Jones though.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:24 pm 
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Clayman wrote:
Every club now knows that SOS will blink. Won't help us next year. If only we had Dodo.

Pick 5 for a junkie scum bag who can't be flower.

We really need a forward in this draft:

Everit, Jones, Thomas
Sumner, Casbolt, Tutt

might not cut it.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:26 pm 
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I hate to say it and look like one of the people that will be accused of hitting the panic button but it seems that whoever is in charge of list management hasn't learned from the past couple of years. Once again they get rid of a whole swathe of experienced players, including most of our forward line. Admittedly some like Henderson didn't want to be there. Instead they try to refill the gaps in the side with players who have very little experience. Is this so they can for yet another year hide behind the excuse that the club is rebuilding when just like for the last couple of years success becomes yet another distant memory. I know you need to get rid of the dead wood from the club but when you keep ripping the experienced players out of the side how can you possibly be competitive when you keep trying to field side with more and more inexperienced players who have not proven themselves.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:28 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
The reason we swapped 20 21 for 11 was to guarantee we pick up at least 1 if not 2 kpf. They wont be there around 20. 1 or 2 of Weideman Burton Curnow. Next year will be tough. Bottom couple for sure and yes we lost talent but if we draft right we could build a spine for 12 years and in 4 years when yarran and henderson are veterans , we will hit our prime. Well done SOS.


You can't lose what you never had

Those 3 were cancers...they had to go (but we should never have blinked on Yarran...low point of the trade period)

Yarran had one good year...there were intensity issues with him from day 1

Menzel apparently passed a medical with Adelaide...but how long before the Adel fans claim he's 'playing injured'

And Henderson...look at Dangerfield who left nothing on the park until the last game. You are a disgrace...you switched off back in April.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:36 pm 
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All good for me bar not getting Tomlinson (we tried) and not getting pick 12 for Yarran.

We don't read the landscape well ... Richmond pursued Yarran and as a result we should have stood firm ... I believe they would have traded pick 12 otherwise they would have looked like fools ... you don't pursue a player then not pay the price ... every club that pursued a player got their man (where there was willingness from the holding club to part ways)

Over to the draft table now ... need to make it count ... the way I see it we look likely to get some KPP's with size and with some "shit" in them ... talent and intent is important now, not just talent.

I spoke to a player manager recently who knows SOS very well ... the latter said that he feels a big part of our problem is that we have looked to acquire on talent alone ... one example used was we take a Yarran over a Ziebell.

Anyway, chin up folks ... alot of bravery in what we have done ... the platform is about to be built.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:24 pm 
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We traded Menzel for pick 28 + Kerridge because SOS didn't want to use 20 or 21 for the GWS4.
Obviously he planned to use 20+21 to get 11.

So to make me feel like Menzel wasn't forced out for measly 28+Kerridge, I'm going to think of it as Menzel + Bell (21) for pick 11.

Hendo for 8.
Yarran for 19. He won't come good @ Richmond automatically - his issues will follow him there. You can't hide from your baggage..or debt.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:47 pm 
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ColourMan wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
The reason we swapped 20 21 for 11 was to guarantee we pick up at least 1 if not 2 kpf. They wont be there around 20. 1 or 2 of Weideman Burton Curnow. Next year will be tough. Bottom couple for sure and yes we lost talent but if we draft right we could build a spine for 12 years and in 4 years when yarran and henderson are veterans , we will hit our prime. Well done SOS.


Weideman & Curnow will not be there at 11; Burton might be, if Adelaide don't pull the trigger at 9.

I agree, our talls aren't great or plentiful at the moment...

But the whole point is we have 8 and 11! one of them should be there at 8, and we can have some flexibility with 11.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:51 pm 
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Bluesman44 wrote:
I hate to say it and look like one of the people that will be accused of hitting the panic button but it seems that whoever is in charge of list management hasn't learned from the past couple of years. Once again they get rid of a whole swathe of experienced players, including most of our forward line. Admittedly some like Henderson didn't want to be there. Instead they try to refill the gaps in the side with players who have very little experience. Is this so they can for yet another year hide behind the excuse that the club is rebuilding when just like for the last couple of years success becomes yet another distant memory. I know you need to get rid of the dead wood from the club but when you keep ripping the experienced players out of the side how can you possibly be competitive when you keep trying to field side with more and more inexperienced players who have not proven themselves.

These very players helped "win" us the spoon this year, by playing selfish, dispirited footy.

We did well to move them on for good return.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:02 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
I'm going to think of it as Menzel + Bell (21) for pick 11. Break Even Trade
Hendo for 8. Win for us
Yarran for 19. He won't come good @ Richmond automatically - his issues will follow him there. You can't hide from your baggage..or debt. Loss for us


Good way of summarising the trades emtwenty.
Overall I think we've done OK considering are hands were tied with Bell, Yarran and Henderson.
Must admit I'm a bit nervous about trading Menzel after one bad year.....hopefully SOS and co know what they are doing.
If we now draft wisely and maybe get some value from Plowman's platter this trade period might well be the turning point.....

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:07 pm 
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I'd love to say I'm happy with that trade period but the truth is that we picked up GWS rubbish and some early picks, while losing talent, thats it. Its going to be a long 3 - 4 years. We can stuff up the early picks, God knows we've done it before. Breathe Gezza breathe...


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:18 pm 
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If you watched Plowman's video as a potential draftee you would want to use one of our first 4 picks on him. Same goes with Sumner.
Phillips you'd be happy with a late pick or rookie. Kerridge is a 2nd or 3rd rounder and so is Lamb.
I trust those in charge (now). All 4 can kick and Phillips is raw.
Menzel has on and off field issues.
Yarran gave up
Henderson stopped caring.
Bell, we did the right thing.
The proof of the last 2 weeks will be in the draft.
Weitering is a no brainer.
We must get the next 3 right.
SOSOS will bust his guts. He'll be special its in the genes.

If every player at the club understands their responsibility and we build a culture from the ground up, we'll look back at this period and say it was when we stopped the ROT.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:28 pm 
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choo wrote:
If you watched Plowman's video as a potential draftee you would want to use one of our first 4 picks on him. Same goes with Sumner.
Phillips you'd be happy with a late pick or rookie. Kerridge is a 2nd or 3rd rounder and so is Lamb.
I trust those in charge (now). All 4 can kick and Phillips is raw.
Menzel has on and off field issues.
Yarran gave up
Henderson stopped caring.
Bell, we did the right thing.
The proof of the last 2 weeks will be in the draft.
Weitering is a no brainer.
We must get the next 3 right.
SOSOS will bust his guts. He'll be special its in the genes.

If every player at the club understands their responsibility and we build a culture from the ground up, we'll look back at this period and say it was when we stopped the ROT.


That's a really good post. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:38 pm 
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Bluey44 wrote:
In essence we lost Hendo and Yazz for 8 and 11

And we lost Menzel (and Bell) for Kerridge and the GWS boys.
If any one or two of them equal Menzel's future output, then we might be able to declare a win.

But in reality Yarran and Hendo were proven players and losing them sucks.
We can only hope the guys we have brought in fit our age profile and current team ethos better.


And I hope Tigers and Cats never win another premiership as long as Yazz and Hendo are alive.



Alive.? It would be ok if they win the year after they retire..... Scheisse did I just say it was ok for the Tigers to win a premiership?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:39 pm 
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daggs001 wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
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Blue Bell wrote:
Not happy with this year's trade period Sydney Blue?

Concerned I would say
I hope they got it right


Stop being such a sad sack. It's so not a perfect system with so many variables in play. It's like trying to get 3 people on TC to agree on something. :razz:

Regards Cazzesman



And that's the issue... we could have traded 20 & 21 yesterday to GWS for pick 7 instead of receiving pick 11 today...

But yesterday we were still hopeful of using 20 & 21 somehow for Tomlinson...


We dont know that. In any event, Its refreshing to see a list manager not taking the easy option but trying to be innovative instead.
I cannot blame SOS for having the balls to try and get a deal done.
Embrace change. Its for the better. We have 3 picks in the first 15. I cannot remember that since the Luke Livingstone/ Trent Sporn days.
Lets just hope we use pick 11 a little better this time around (something im confident we will do).


OMG, THAT IS THE PROBLEM. We will use picks for peanuts like Livingston and Sporn!!!!!!! - SOS might try and recruit the GWS property Steward to play in the forward pocket! Sweet Fancy Moses, give me strength!


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:44 pm 
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Bluesman44 wrote:
I hate to say it and look like one of the people that will be accused of hitting the panic button but it seems that whoever is in charge of list management hasn't learned from the past couple of years. Once again they get rid of a whole swathe of experienced players, including most of our forward line. Admittedly some like Henderson didn't want to be there. Instead they try to refill the gaps in the side with players who have very little experience. Is this so they can for yet another year hide behind the excuse that the club is rebuilding when just like for the last couple of years success becomes yet another distant memory. I know you need to get rid of the dead wood from the club but when you keep ripping the experienced players out of the side how can you possibly be competitive when you keep trying to field side with more and more inexperienced players who have not proven themselves.

These very players helped "win" us the spoon this year, by playing selfish, dispirited footy.

We did well to move them on for good return.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:00 pm 
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Alive.? It would be ok if they win the year after they retire..... Scheisse did I just say it was ok for the Tigers to win a premiership?

My Dad is 92 and a Richmond supporter. He has been waiting a long time. He's not sure if he will see it or not.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:03 pm 
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All this talk about getting rid of lazy players, then why is Gibbs still there?

Just asking ...


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:10 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
We traded Menzel for pick 28 + Kerridge because SOS didn't want to use 20 or 21 for the GWS4.
Obviously he planned to use 20+21 to get 11.

So to make me feel like Menzel wasn't forced out for measly 28+Kerridge, I'm going to think of it as Menzel + Bell (21) for pick 11.

Hendo for 8.
Yarran for 19. He won't come good @ Richmond automatically - his issues will follow him there. You can't hide from your baggage..or debt.


Agree - excluding yarran, our trades were effectively

Henderson + Bell + Menzel + 20 + 77 + 95 -> 8 + 11 + GWS 4 + kerridge + future 4th round pick upgrade

I think most people would have taken that pre-trade period.

Yarran trade I'm ok with but given the trade we managed with the dogs, one has to wonder whether SOS could have done better than pick 19 had he taken 31 + future 2nd round


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:11 pm 
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idle wrote:
All this talk about getting rid of lazy players, then why is Gibbs still there?

Just asking ...


Fair point...although something tells me that Bolton will get the best out of him...just a crazy hunch

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:15 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
For what it's worth, afl.com gave us a 'B' on our efforts.


Its not worth much - they thought the GWS 4 + kerrige were destined to be fringe stragglers whereas townsend was a good player for the tigers....


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