7-8 years for all this to get right, just isn't plausible, imo ...

• a 7 or 8 year rebuild will pretty much be Cripps' entire career (given his size and how he plays the game, longevity may not be in his stars). at the end of that 7-8 years, we'll actually start turning over the list for the next rebuild. like we did with the last rebuild with our vaunted slew of number one picks which never made a prelim final.

• another 7 or 8 years like these last 3, would more than likely see us struggle for members & sponsorship to remain viable. fitzroy folded for far, far less.

• I'm all for the rebuild ... but real world time just won't afford us that long to get things right here. the fact we're bottoming out into year three of the rebuild and are so much worse right now than years one and two, are a little cause for concern on the whole 'are we executing this thing right?' front.


fwiw – me personally, i think we're totally on the right path building this list and drafting. our recruiting is suspect with some of the retreads we've got going around. but on the whole we're building this to be in the finals by 2020.

i am 110% convinced bolton is not head coach material and persevering with him, is delaying our rebuild time and eating into the prime years of our number 9.

I'm not sure the soviet analogy works when the paupers of two years ago have busted out of the gulag and are smashing it while the oligarchs are barely clinging to relevance, but we need a good conspiracy theory to paper over our canyon sized cracks so let's roll with it.

You'll be waiting a long time!!

I'm still waiting to hear how Richmond, Collingwood, WB, Geelong, Freo, StK (all teams that have played in GFs over the last decade) have exploited the system or found loopholes

What you won't be waiting a long time for is the next bombastic post from SB

Better go...I'll be accused of stalking

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I understand the injuries, the list, the talent, but I don’t understand the mindset at the start of games that sees shots from 10 or 20m out so badly missed or targets in general play so badly missed or just the lack of urgency in general.
It’s an attitude that’s the result of poor culture.... which I had hoped was gone.

Players unavailable for selection yesterday
SOJ
Kruezer
Jones
Docherty
Plowman
Weitering
Fisher
Cunningham
Williamson
Phillips
ASOS


Players interrupted significantly with preseason/injuries
Murphy
Kennedy
Lang
Marchbank
Pickett
Byrne

Players on the cusp but restricted by injury
Macreadie
LeBois
Schumacher

Unfortunately, some just CAN'T understand the situation

Richmond last year had one major injury, yes one, you heard me right, just ONE...Nathan Drummond

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another quote to back the earlier one up

“Our expectations are not about win and loss,” Bolton said.

“We’ll take win and loss, but our expectations are about being unified, about creating a learning environment, about having an ‘us’ not ‘me’ mentality both on and off the field.


and another

"It's a great chance for our group to build some resilience and work out other ways [of winning]. I look it as a strength and as an opportunity more than something you stress and worry about," Bolton said of the injuries. "But we won't be defined just on wins and losses."

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Can we count the GWS players out in the last qtr? After yesterday injury excuse don't count. That was the most embarrassing thing I've seen in 55 years of watching footy and i'd say our worst ever loss given the circumstances. Despite outnumbering them we had no idea. We'd have spares out wide but kick down the line to an outnumbered situation, how is one outnumbered when your have 1-2 spares I don't know. Then GWS go forward to loose men every where in their forward 50 and kick goals as they please. They had 45 uncontested marks in that last qtr and outscore us 7 goals to 1. How does that happen? This is a side, after 3 years with this bloke, that had no idea,what they were supposed to do, How poorly drilled can a side get? Game plan so confusing, so poor, that we don't even know what to do when we outnumber a side by 2 players. It's not as if GWS are anything like Hawthorn 2013-15, or Geelong 2007-11. They laughed at us. They rotated off the bench still with 16-17 players treating us like incompetent idiots. That's a Monday morning sacking not an end of the year sacking as it is purely incompetent. either that or the players aren't playing for the coach. Going no-where right now.

So please don't anyone give us spin for that total embarrassment. We still had a number of very good to even a few outstanding young players out there as well as enough senior experience to at least stop such embarrassment like yesterday's like qtr happening. Anyone who thinks that is ok under any circumstances I'll laugh in their face. They live in a world where everything is forever rosy.

All your questions are answered by Bolton himself in his post match interview.

But where does he say that winning a game is not important?
And why was the win last week spoken about in terms of a positive and a smile and a reward for effort
Stop making shit up.

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If you state we won't be defined by wins and losses
You are stating winning doesn't matter.
Do you have a problem understanding that

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I agree with Syd - It's a weird approach to have. Particularly as we have a young team. I don't want them just blindly believing that the process will deliver results, because it won't. Plenty of teams have followed a process and failed.

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We've been over this 100 times. He's not saying winning isn't important. What he's saying is we have to measure ourselves by effort and commitment.
As an example, IMHO, our effort against Richmond in Round 1 was far more commendable that our win against a piss poor Gold Coast last week. The effort was greater and the consistency of effort was better.
Bolton expects the players to give 100% effort and 100% commitment. If we can obtain that on a consistent basis, the results will look after themselves.
Yes it's coach-speak but we have to focus on the process and not outcome.

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'Get comfortable being uncomfortable'

No coach wants to 'lose' his playing group, but I hope he identifies those who look to be 'comfortable' just collecting their weekly match payments.

If you focus on the process and not the outcome because the process will lead to the desired outcome - then we can say that the players either do not get the process or the process is all wrong or the players are not trying

but ultimately football is about wins and losses and for a coach to say his team will not be measured by wins and losses is perplexing at best

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can some1 send bolton this message for me .How can collingwood have 8 senior players missing and yet hit the front against syd. I tell you why they have a better game plan ,a better system and wen is bolts going to change our game style .I used to watch wen we kicked the ball to betts or fev with several opp against them now same thing happening again to curnow .

Thanks for the reality check.

Most of the last there were 4 players on the GWS bench.

Lets also remember the 16 players on the field trump our 18 players on the field any day of the week for speed, maturity, stamina, development and age (peaking).

That's not an indictment on the kids: 19yo Dow, OBrien, 20yo SPS, McKay,Polson. Its just a fact of life. We had players out there who didn't have a preseason or serious injury locks during the year which has hindered their fitness and development: Marchbank, Byrne, Kennedy, Pickett, Lang, Rowe and Murphy. We have players who wouldnt be playing if our thin list was available: OShea, Rowe, Thomas, Graham, Lamb, and some of the kids who just are not ready.

They are a much better team than ours circa 2018 because they have many many more developed stars in their team.

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Mate it's not actually that hard.......we have no midfield and we sure as shit don't have any depth in our midfield like Collingwood.

You asked this question 3 weeks ago and the answer is still the same!



Collingwood are without Treloar, Dunn and Howe and they've lost 3 out of 4 games. It's not that @#$%&! difficult. Every team that suffers injuries to their best players are performing well below expectation.

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Do you think he'll understand it?

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What the game highlighted to me was the difference in class. I went yesterday and focussed on our structures and how GWS countered them.
As I mentioned on this board last night, they had probably 6 midfielders who would be better than our second best midfielder. They are better skilled and significantly better athletically. Coniglio and Whitfield cant get a start in the midfield group yet they'd easily be our second best if not best.
If we spoilt the ball, they athletically beat us to the fall of the ball. If they won the ball, several of our kids like O'Brien were brushed off like flies. The players were trying. The coaches were playing one on one footy which is exactly what the supporters have been calling for.
They just embarrassed us with the difference in class.

We are a developing team that is currently bottom 6 on the ladder at best with our full complement of players. With the players we have out, we're easily bottom 2 and quite a distance back.

As for Bolton knows, he knows he will be judged by wins and losses. But he doesn't want that to be the players focus.
They need small wins based on the things they can control. Effort, commitment to the contest, tackling etc. The rest is totally out of their control.

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