Sorry mate but you seem to be living in pretty negative world, real for yourself and others but not all of us. Some of us actually understand a little thing called cause and effect and we can rationalise these and other facts and form an emotionless based opinion that obviously differs from you. And I get that you see it as spin, as you would when you're unable to remove emotion from logical thinking.

Let's move on for a second and talk about your solution:

Sack the president down to the coach?
Trade all of our picks for an elite player?

I get you're hurting but isn't this the path we have already been down? And what has it gotten us?

How about we try something different and give the club the 5 years they have stated and see what happens.

Surely, even to you, this is not spin and just a different path we've been on.

Still waiting for a SINGLE example of anyone at the club saying this.

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We are not measured by wins and losses
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I want "Winning doesn't matter" as you put it.

This week the narrative (as I've seen every press conference) is "We never accept losing, however..." which is a far different thing.

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The Blues' coach said their decision making would not be clouded by the win-loss ratio and they continued to find enough little wins within games to keep their spirits high.

June 30th

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If you count the whole list, that means including injured. I reckon they are close to it.

Did you see them run tonight. Skills. They are specimens.
I backed them to win the GF this year, and I have wavered that belief.

Ward was my favourite player today. Even moreso than Kelly.
Tomlison makes me cry coz we should have had him.
Coniglio, Whitfield.
Shiel. Scully injured
There's heaps of them on every line....Read...you can continue the names for me.

...and look at what they've traded because they wanted home.
If this group stays together, and they wont, the have a dynasty awaiting.


I'm sure our boys learned a lot from today and from other beltings.
Our boys have to get stronger faster and last longer.
A big difference was GWS tage of their development they were.
No wonder they ran over us with 16 players. Too quick and super confident.
GWS have been running over teams for 8-9 weeks. Jugernaut.

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Our players made the mistake of guarding space said Bolton.
Well whose fault is that?


The whole year they’ve been for the most part played unaccountable zone football.

Where are the players other than Curnow willing to tag or play accountable football?


Tactically Bolton needs help.

Next he says it helps their development getting pummeled by 100 points. Yeah, I am sure that is what Fitzroy and Melbourne said from 2003-2016.

Getting the odd drubbing, I get it. You compare yourself to the best, but Carlton has received drubbings from teams like Freo & Brisbane. You should be at least competitive there.

Sick of excuses. A review, whole club review needed.

I feel super happy for people who are okay with where we're at right now, but at the same time I feel sorry for them. This isn't good - not by any measure.

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yes lets review the review, lets review the reviewers of the review, lets use rear view and the short view and the this is not what I wanted view, the twist what's said view, the bemoan the good old days view, the let's buy what we need view, the money under the counter view, the 'they all do it view', any view, any view at all except an honest appraisal that a rebuild takes time view...hate that view...that view makes me spew, that's my view and my view is the clear view of the outsider who doesn't have a clue view but I paid my money and this is what I get view, the tomorrow is dead view, the stamp my feet, hold my breath, turn blue in the face view, any view, any view but the view that this will take a while view...that's my view.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

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And this is why you're still not understanding us "people".

None of us are happy with were we're at right now but at the same time there is a logical reason for it outside blaming the coaching panel.

When you have appx 13 injuries each round and some to key players in a shallow team you're going to get the following results:
- Lack of continuity amongst the playing group
- This leads to lack of time to build player trust in positions with the way they play
- This then leads to game plans being virtually useless
- This then leads to loss of games by large margins
- This can then lead to zone playing to help reduce the loss (no good when the opposition can carve you up through basic skill errors, players fault)
- This then leads to loss in confidence and more skill errors
- This then leads to perceived/real loss of passion or fight.

So it's no wonder the games are tough to watch this season, but no matter who the coach is or president for that matter we can't escape the injuries in such a full scale rebuild. But I believe it will all pay off in the end, you just got to hang in there and give them the 5 years before the typical Carlton lynching begins.

As a matter of interest why is it 5 years? It may be 7 or 8 years.

In any case wasn’t it a 66 games rebuild to start with. Has this now changed?

As far as I can remember and I'm happy for a #Factcheck it was always supposed to be 5 years until we were to be in the finals or a premiership contender (1 of the 2). The 66 game rebuild was supposed to be the end of this year, then they were going to be targeting the top FAs to top the list off in this trade period onwards.
But with the loss of Gibbs and the inability to attract Smith, Rockcliff or even Saad to replace him and inject speed to the backline things took a turn then.
Compound that with Doc out before the start of the season and all the injuries this year I think you might be right this could add an extra 1-2 or more years to the "5 years". Either way at the 5 year mark we will have a pretty good gauge on the direction of the club especially if we have a few seasons with a lot less injuries.

Somebody please tell me he didn’t actually say that?

I can't believe we didn't play man on man in the last with a spare player rotating through the middle.
Watching them play kick to kick with our mob standing five metres away in a zone was mind-boggling.
At one stage in our F50 we were one against four. That means we had four spare players somewhere.

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95% of the game we played man on man. To the point we played a mostly 7 or 8 man forward line to pick up their spares. How did that work for us? We were massively outclassed. How we set up had very little to do with it.



How wonderful for you. Do you really think anyone here gives a @#$%&! about how you feel about them?

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

For the 10 or 20 seconds they had 16 players, they smashed us did they? By all means be critical but try to be remotely honest when you do. They played probably 10-12 minutes with 17 players.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

As the AFL is a competition based on socialist principles one can see the similarities to Soviet Russia’s 5 year plan.

Carlton is in a 5 year plan.

First in Russia you forced people off the farms and into industry- You culled anyone who doesn’t adhere.

That’s Bryce Gibbs plus the 40 or so players culled over the last few years.

Some will be forced into starvation due to radical change

That’s ok, starvation of wins in AFL is good as it is for our long term good. 5 year plan is all that matters.


Gee whizz, it’s heating up in finals land. The ruling Soviet class - Hawthorn, Sydney, Geelong- I really hope they all squeeze into the finals. I am nervous. It is looking dicey. They need more free agents at end of season...or some good trades where they pay on the cheap. They need that mansion in Moscow.

In socialism, the rich stay rich. Mates deals, rules that help one’s mates. For 20 years Hawthorn has stayed rich. They might even get to share a coffee with Gill and go over the rules.

You can understand the team’s current situation without being happy about it.

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Bolts had Rowe and O’Shea in key posts, game over before it started.